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Guess we’ll just have to deal with things being slightly more inconvenient for awhile then, or we’ll be dealing with an inhospitable planet otherwise.
"we" wouldn't even have to be inconvenienced, and would likely have our quality of life actually increase if only a small group of people would be willing to part with money they're hoarding that they couldn't use even if they lived a thousand lifetimes.
The people doing the stealing are the capitalists underpaying you for your labour and profiting off of the commodification of essentials (food, water, shelter, utilities, accessibility), redistributing that wealth is the only just thing to do, and the only people it harms is them, while the rest of society could finally thrive.
This just in, taxes are only for the poors. Taxing the rich is now called "stealing" 🙄
Sudden drastic population reduction would solve the problem as well. Historically that's been how these things are done.
I read about this concept in a book about Ecofascism. The problem with that Malthusian way of thinking is this: Who will we leave behind? How are we gonna implement eugenics? Capitalists are a clear minority, and most of the global south seems to be an excellent target for answering that question.
A better way to look at the problem is to de-escalate and simplify. I mean, if you care about your fellow human beings.
Most of our work is already bullshit, and our industrial capacity (for the most part) can give us nice stuff. At the same time, we get rid of the high-polluting options. The world's population would self-regulate in horizontal societies just because everything has been that way historically. The phenomenon of hyper-poblation is a centralized-power thing.
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Local climate change has caused famines in various places throughout history and pre-history. Thus decimating the local population.
This time it's global. And as always the poor will suffer the most. In a couple of decades Europe and the US will close their borders. Because they can't feed the millions of people coming over.