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U.S. plans to receive and aid White South African refugees as soon as next week, document shows (www.cbsnews.com)

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[–] AugustWest@lemm.ee 17 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Ok so here are the rules:

(a) where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value;

(b) where an organ of state holds land that it is not using for its core functions and is not reasonably likely to require the land for its future activities in that regard, and the organ of state acquired the land for no consideration;

(c) notwithstanding registration of ownership in terms of the Deeds Registries Act, 1937 (Act No. 47 of 1937), where an owner has abandoned the land by failing to exercise control over it despite being reasonably capable of doing so;

(d) where the market value of the land is equivalent to, or less than, the present value of direct state investment or subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the land.

In other words, land can be seized without compensation if the owner is not using it, and is rather just waiting for property values to rise in order to sell at a profit.

Yeah sounds horrible.

How is this a genocide?

Stop spreading the bullshit.

Also, you might want to at least consider south African history and who was really fucked for a long time under Apartheid before spouting your crap.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

While this is good info for reasonable people. I'd suggest in the future YOU ask for evidence of idiots claims like this and just call it out as a lie like it is.

These fascist talking points about white genocide should never be taken seriously. You don't need to provide counter evidence to someone literally shitting out of their mouth.

When arguing with white supremacists keep it simple. They don't care about facts. They'll never ever ever turn back and agree with anything you say. They'll just pivot and use any point of evidence you provide to create a new lie.

What this looks like to the average idiot listening to that back and forth is "oh, I guess there is some debate on this" and that is exactly what white supremacists are trying to do with these lies. To add doubt to reality.

There is no debate. No need to debate straight up lies. Call them lies and keep them incredibly focused on having to provide proof. They'll never be able to.

[–] werty@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 minutes ago

I think that arguing against posting factual information because some people are idiots is, frankly, idiotic. I appreciate people like op who take the time and effort to post the facts and educate all of us. Discouraging this behaviour is mind boggling to me.

[–] AugustWest@lemm.ee 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I get where you are coming from, but I wanted to put that out there. Not for the person I was calling bullshit on, but for everyone else reading this.

You are right though. The only way to get through to anyone is to get them to prove their point of view. Proofs just make them argue in new ways and never learn anything.

I guess I will leave this up as it is done already, but take what you said into consideration for the future.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

Absolutely. I took some advice after watching this video on the topic awhile ago and if anything it's at least improved my mental health.

I don't agree with all the points he makes. But it's definitely helped simplify my approach when dealing with these people spreading white supremacists talking points online.