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I mean some people legitimately were not comfortable with supporting any candidate that wouldn’t address the ongoing genocide in Palestine. I voted for Harris, a lot ofpeople did because they understood what was at stake and that obviously Trump would be worse. But there were a lot of people who just couldn’t do it. Yeah I get at a lot of them, but I also would be lying if I said I didn’t understand why they did it.
All this is to say I would not attribute most of those people to “Russia.” We have to talk to them too about how we want to move forward instead of writing them off as brainwashed/incapable of coming to the conclusion on their own.
Yeah I don't think anyone would disagree with any of that. The problem was the hyperpartisan one-sided coverage. It in itself was often foreign opposition propaganda. It was so heavy and thick. Taking all the air out of every room. Just focusing on how bad Biden and Harris were. Putting the whole burden of the problem on their shoulders. So much so. That many people thought that Trump would be better because of the lack of coverage. Biden and Harris were not my candidates either. As an Anarchist I held my nose and voted for simply because of self harm prevention. But I also knew enough not to participate in amplifying the propaganda as well as pushing back against it.
Never let it be said that the left isn't manipulable or even as easily manipulable. We are our own worst enemy. Plenty still can't acknowledge their role in helping to amplify that message for the fascists gain. We do it to ourselves every time. We're naturally at a disadvantage on messaging. Simply because all mass media these days is outright fascist owned. But on top of that the left simply cannot message or Focus. Though that at least is not anything new.
The left cannot message, because every liberal has their own individual hierarchy of what the top policy issue should be.
And the left cannot accept that peoples' priorities are not the same.
Sure, the Israel stuff is awful. Do you see these people complaining about Myanmar, or El Salvador, or any of the other human crisis areas in the world? No. They aren't. They're complaining about the hot topic item and being slacktivists online, then convincing themselves that making a statement by not participating will some how get people to pay attention to them.
I've seen it since the 2000's, and frankly, I'm fucking sick and tired of terminally online liberalism. It does nothing but complain and then offers no solutions to actually get anything done.
'We want ranked choice, we want better healthcare, we want better education' blah blah blah then they sit at home and let a Nazi win. Twice.
Like, have fun riding your moral high horse down to the cattle cars. I hope it was worth it because the democrats didn't prioritize giving queer pets more representation at shelters or some shit.
While I would hesitate to frame it as liberals. Because as an anarchist let me tell you we all have different priorities. It's a problem of ideology over achievability. Compounded by terminally online Trend chasing. Running after individual issues that are symptoms. But not the root of the problem.
Yeah I'd agree to all of that.
Yeah I can’t disagree with any particular point here. It’s all just so frustrating.
I also voted Kamala and tbh it made me extremely uncomfortable. I knew Kamala wouldn't be a good president, I knew she would send more money to genocide, I knew she would do very little (if anything) to stop states from discriminating, and I knew her economic plan would likley make everything worse. Because in every single aspect she was and is a horrible candidate who objectively would not do well at anything, however the standard for American politicans is in hell so shes not even the worst. Im just sad, we had Obama who wasnt really progressive but he chose Biden as his VP to appeal to the establishment, then Biden became president and chose Kamala who is was significantly less progressive then him, then we became expected to vote Kamala which would have been a continuation of the last two dem presidents but even less progressive. But im not just looking at the past, im looking at the future and im scared. What happens if the Dems choose some candidate like Shapiro, Fetterman, or Newsom? What if the Democrats rig their primaries as theyve been known to do or what if they dont hold one at all?
Fetterman will never be the candidate. Shapiro and and Newsom definitely possible
I said someone like him, not nessesarily him
Who else is like fetterman?
Hes not particularly unique, so basically any other blue dog Democrat.
Blue dogs are basically gone and fetterman doesn’t fit the profile of one. His issues are more unique.
'Rigging the primaries' as in picking the person who had the most votes?
Cmon man. Did the dems play politics? Sure they did. Do you honestly expect people who are part of an established party to not rally around a candidate that has been a steadfast loyalist in the party for decades, who championed the original version of public healthcare, and instead, rally around a dude who says all the right things but can't legislate for anything?
This is letting perfect be the enemy of good.
That's what the whole propaganda strategy was: demand perfection from the Democrats, and give the message that if they fall short of perfection, don't vote. And never mention that the only alternative that could win the election is MAGA.
The false equivalence argument that "they're both the same" is another tactic to suppress the non-fascist vote.
Yep. You literally see it all over the place.
'I personally did not get 100% of what I wanted including free puppies for everyone, so I'm never voting again.'
Sweet, so now you get 0% of what you want, instead of 50% of what you wanted. Congrats. Have fun with that sense of moral superiority.
Perfect? This is sacrificing bearly good enough for slightly better than the other guy. In addition even politicans who used to advocate for public services are starting to abandon that as the Democrats take a hard shift right. Democrats have proven that they are either unwilling and/or unable to do what is nessesary for the workers. Its too late to appease the masses with better healthcare and a $15 minimum wage, the corruption in the system has been exposed and change is desperately needed. We need fundamental economic reform, the tax code needs to be replaced, foreign policy needs to be restructured, infrastructure needs to be not only fixed but expanded, and gun laws need to be changed. These are core changes that Democrats have promised for decades yet continue to fail to provide, now its too late. The Democrats sat around with ideas of infinite economic growth and unlimited power, now their hubris will be their downfall.
Sweet. Democrats had plans for a lot of those things, and you guys stayed home and now we have a Nazi in the white house.
Did you not read what I said? I voted Kamala but I am fed up and done with this nonsense. People voted for Obama to do this, he didnt. People voted for Biden to do this, he didnt. Now people like me are expected that things will magically change as the Democrats openly abandon their promises to appeal to the mythical moderate Republican.
Obama had an entire republican party and Joe Libermann stopping medicare for all. Blame Joe Liebermann, not the guy who tried to get it done.
Biden had one of the thinnest congresses in history, yet his ledger is still full of progressive asks. That apparently isn't good enough, because he didn't get you 100% of what you wanted.
This is the entire problem. You expect 100% of what you demand, and when you don't get it, you're 'done' and don't want to participate anymore.
Thank you for highlighting this for me.
They got less than 5% of what I wanted and the next candidate will give me 3% if im lucky (also both Biden and Obama didnt try to reform the system in any meaningful way)