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If your first instinct as a westerner is to criticize and lecture 3rd world communist movements, instead of learning from their successes, then you have internalized the patronizing arrogance of the colonial system you claim to oppose.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The DPRK defeated the US despite it killing 1 out of every 5 people, and having nearly half their country destroyed:

Vietnam suffered similar ruthless civilian bombing campaigns and massacres, and defeated the US.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why are you arguing that their military movement is what made them successful? Vietnam is successful from their governance not because many died.

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago

Militarily driving out the French and Burger imperialists was a prerequisite for their governmental success. After all, if they hadn't done that, they wouldn't be governing themselves in the first place.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Nearly every successful anti-colonial revolution in the 20th century was communist or Marxist influenced, Vietnam was no different. Vietnam was successful because their decades long struggle against french and US imperialism, guided by Marxist theory.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My clear point was a revolution is one thing but running the country so well ever since is their real success story :)

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

Ah my bad, yes I agree, both are success stories.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Vietnan won militar combat against 3 imperialist countries, if you havent heard about it

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 8 points 2 days ago

Yes, that’s literally what I responded to. Governance is their real success story is my obvious point