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Are anti-Lemmy sentiments being botted? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 days ago by tehmics@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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In other places on around the web, (chiefly /r/RedditAlternatives) whenever Lemmy is brought up, invariably I see the exact same complaints from brand new accounts.

Lemmy is too complicated, it wont gain traction, can't figure out how to use it, can't log in, etc.

Now, I'm definitely more tech savvy than the average redditor, but I just don't see the complaints. You can go to any Lemmy site, instantly start doomscrolling with a familiar UI, and sign up on all the instances I've tried has been frankly more simple than making a new reddit account. The only real complaint I have is the generally smaller volume of users and posts.

My only thought here is the words like federation and instances getting people hung up. Maybe join-lemmy.org being a highly ranked site is doing more harm than good by creating an additional barrier to the instances and content.

Ideally, the first link someone sees when googling Lemmy would be a global feed on a fairly generic instance, with a basic tagline akin to 'front page of the internet.' End users don't need to care about the technical details, at least not until they're interested in the platform.

So is this "Lemmy is too confusing" sentiment even real? And if not, what motive would there be to astroturf this?

If it is a real issue affecting would-be users, how can we address it?

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Reddit at this point a psyop for multiple different countries, political parties, celebrities, influenzars and such. US, Israel, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and others have Internet task force to push propaganda and limit negative PR.

Votes aren't public in reddit and is a great cover for hiding any coordinated influence. Keep creating new accounts, make it seem natural by posting on random subs, use old accounts for posts/comments and new accounts for votes. To an unsuspecting user, nothing seems out of ordinary.

On ActivityPub all votes are public and manipulation can be detected or analyzed now or in future. Instance admins could check this and see a pattern. And there are many many many instances, so any one might run into something.

Also mod logs are public in lemmy, unlike reddit. Censorship from mods and admins are already a constant cause for drama but makes it a lot more transparent for the community.

So it's less influential. So, they try to dissuade people from making Lemmy and Mastodon less interesting.

I'm not saying it's not possible here, but it's too early and needs a lot more work than reddit. People already do not interact with users from instances they dislike. You already see some patterns in how users of instance behave and avoid them.

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Although since Lemmy votes are public, it does take some restraint to not message people that downvote your comments/posts and ask them why.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You can see who voted your comments? How? I don't think I can.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think mbin makes all votes up or down public. So maybe he’s on an mbin server instead of lemmy

[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I didn't realise it's only visible to server admins. I run my own server, and it seems like server admins can view the votes on any comment, not just for comments or posts on their server. Interesting design choice.

What I haven't checked is if non-admins can load the vote data, and it's just the button in the UI that's hidden.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

There is one server implementation that shows it to its users. I forgot its name though.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're visible to all the server admins. The difference is that anyone can make their own instance and connect to the network as an admin