Unknown respiratory disease was destroying Eldercare facilities in USA way before Covid was ever discovered in China but nobody is looking into those deaths or their origins.

Of course they investigated it and the article you posted confirms that.

And this one does too: https://apnews.com/a7320c946aba47f494dc9a2f649bfad3

The Fairfax County Health Department put out a release on saying that they are investigating, one day before your article was posted.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/outbreak-investigation-assisted-living-facility-springfield

Update: July 29, 2019

No new cases of illness have occurred in Heatherwood since July 15, 2019. Results of earlier testing submitted to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicated rhinovirus, a virus that causes the common cold. The facility continues normal operations.

And about EVALI ("vaping disease")

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease/faq/index.html The CDC stopped reporting cases because there weren't many, but some states continued and EVALI can be troublesome since the symptoms are similar to COVID. It's suspected that EVALI is/was caused by vitamin E acetate, but there isn't enough evidence to know for sure.

https://www.rsna.org/news/2022/march/EVALI-Diagnosis

Also the COVID-19 outbreak was WAY bigger in scale so of course it's more interesting.

TL:DR: Both outbreaks were investigated.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/outbreak-investigation-assisted-living-facility-springfield

Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak

So it could have been covid or a precursor.

https://www.rsna.org/news/2022/march/EVALI-Diagnosis

"both EVALI and COVID-19 can manifest with similar clinical and imaging findings"

They literally just got a bunch of people who got sick asked if they vaped and decided it was vaping that got them sick after ruling out a few other possibilities. A percentage of the tiny sample showed no vitamin e acetate so that can't be the cause.

Vape usage hasn't slowed down yet all but EVALI disappeared? That's like if everyone kept using asbestos but asbestosis just disappeared. Occam's razor says EVALI was Covid before they knew what covid was.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So it could have been covid or a precursor.

There is nothing that is indicating that. The evidence that we do have is that the "several specimens were positive for rhinovirus, the cause of the common cold.".

If it really were COVID (which btw makes no sense since the outbreak ended very quickly and the amount of sick people was typical for the time of year), wouldn't the testing had discovered that the virus is very similar to SARS-CoV-1 like they did with SARS-CoV-2?

A percentage of the tiny sample showed no vitamin e acetate so that can't be the cause.

We don't know for sure and a tiny percentage doesn't necessarily di

Vape usage hasn't slowed down yet all but EVALI disappeared? That's like if everyone kept using asbestos but asbestosis just disappeared. Occam's razor says EVALI was Covid before they knew what covid was.

As the article states, EVALI didn't disappear just because of COVID.

While there has been a noticeable decrease in EVALI cases since 2020 that is likely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has closed schools and limited social activities limited, the illness has not gone away. Furthermore, because EVALI is no longer being officially tracked, it is difficult to know whether cases are increasing.

“EVALI has by no means disappeared,” Dr. Kligerman said. “We continue to see numerous cases, even during the pandemic, many of which are initially misdiagnosed as COVID-19.”

One fact which should make it very clear that's not COVID is that COVID is caused by a virus. And if it were COVID it would have spread and killed way more people, you know one of the famous traits of COVID.

Even if you believe strongly that it's still COVID, don't make up crap about how they didn't investigate when they absolutely did, in the case of EVALI still do.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is nothing that is indicating that. The evidence that we do have is that the "several specimens were positive for rhinovirus, the cause of the common cold.".

Did you not read? its in the article you linked. No pathogen identified. Some of them may have had Rhinovirus too but obviously that was ruled out or they wouldn't have said "Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak"

While there has been a noticeable decrease in EVALI cases since 2020 that is likely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has closed schools and limited social activities limited, the illness has not gone away.

Why would closing schools have stopped a non communicable disease caused by a hobby? That is stupid. Furthermore Schools have been reopened for a long time.

One fact which should make it very clear that's not COVID is that COVID is caused by a virus. And if it were COVID it would have spread and killed way more people, you know one of the famous traits of COVID.

Maybe it was just not as deadly or communicable at that point? Covid mutates you know. If it were a precursor kids sharing vape pens it would make transmission far easier. If there is any chance this was covid why is there no investigation into the origins of covid in USA?

You know the Spanish flu didn't originate in Spain? Its just the first place where they identified that it was a new disease. Why do they keep pushing for China to be investigated when it could have come from anywhere and just been identified first in China?

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Did you not read? its in the article you linked. No pathogen identified. Some of them may have had Rhinovirus too but obviously that was ruled out or they wouldn't have said "Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak"

Again, if they tested the patients in July 2019 they would have noticed that the virus was very similar to SARS -CoV-1, if it were COVID. They didn't find anything though. The scientists belive it was the common cold and the scientists says that the amount of sick people was not unusual for that time of the year.

Why would closing schools have stopped a non communicable disease caused by a hobby? That is stupid. Furthermore Schools have been reopened for a long time.

Do you have a hard time reading? It says "the illness has not gone away". Also, smoking is something that's often done in groups, so it isn't unusual that it were to reduce if social activities stopped. Not sure why you are denying it, it did reduce the cases. I have much more trust in scientists that actually know stuff about this and have actually investigated it, than I do for random sceptics on the internet.

Maybe it was just not as deadly or communicable at that point? Covid mutates you know. If it were a precursor kids sharing vape pens it would make transmission far easier. If there is any chance this was covid why is there no investigation into the origins of covid in USA?

Yes but it ain't gonna mutate from a non virus to a virus. It makes no sense to investigate it further since there is absolutely no evidence that it's COVID. It's just wild speculation. If the only "evidence" you have is "but what if", then you should really reconsider.

Has anyone with any credibility suggested that the virus started outside China?

Why do they keep pushing for China to be investigated when it could have come from anywhere and just been identified first in China? M