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You may think no one is saying "all men", but I promise you I've seen this very discourse online and irl. My question to you is, what do you hope to achieve with these memes? To voice your anger, or change people's minds? I'm not defending those who perpetuate the patriarchy, but let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by alienating men who would otherwise be on our side if they didn't feel like they had to face an angry mob. Please, let's not use the same weapons used against us for millennia - it's not working and frankly I am concerned it is starting to actually backfire (see: young men throwing themselves into the arms of the far right). We are literally playing into the hands of those who want to divide us.
It's clear you're not going to change your mind on this, so I'm tapping out. My last appeal to you is, if your end goal is for women and men to be free of the patriarchy, you should focus on actions and messaging that work to change people's minds, and less on trying to be "right".
Is defending people from unfair characterisation based solely on their gender "coddling" now? In the space of two comments you make the argument that the meme isn't about all men, then tar them all with the brush of "primary perpetrators". Do you really not see the problem? Yes, fight back against actual perpetrators, but don't use a machine gun in a crowded room and take a bunch of other people with them. There are other ways to convince men to fight against the patriarchy (of which they are also victims!).