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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

All true, but in a world where nuclear weapons exist, I think all of that is only of secondary importance. I believe that in a world where even 100 million fighter jets can be destroyed by a drone, the absurdly high military spending of the US is absolutely counterproductive. I mean, what the US spends on this every year exceeds the GDP of medium-sized countries many times over - that's plenty money that is lacking in many important areas and could be invested much more sensibly.

In my opinion, the Chinese have recognized this and therefore do not want to be an unnecessarily expensive, apparent military power, even if they could afford it.

In short, I think it's a mistake to invest in conventional weapons instead of in your own people and infrastructure, because possessing nuclear weapons is already enough of a deterrent. I mean, if you wanted to, you could destroy the entire world with them - and that is true for decades now – no one wants that, even if you have state-of-the-art aircraft carriers.

Edit: When the Nazis were defeated, nuclear weapons did not yet exist, which is why this discussion seems rather hypothetical to me - I think today the effect would be the end of humanity because fascists would be willing to accept that. Instead, it seems all the more important to me that democratic countries try to prevent fascist movements from within.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nuclear weapons can exterminate a populace, but they cannot occupy, pacify, and rehabilitate one. For that, you need actual boots on the ground, which requires logistics. China could have the biggest military in the world, but that doesn't mean jack-shit unless they've got a blue-water navy to ship them over here, and they don't.

Remember, this discussion is not about China defeating the US. This discussion is about China liberating the US from the MAGAs the way the US liberated Germany from the Nazis. Nukes and drones are categorically useless for that purpose.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I completely agree with you, although things like cyber warfare also play a significant role here, in which the Chinese are on a par with the US.

Nevertheless, I think all this is pointless, because in my opinion, wars of invasion are only possible against countries that do not possess nuclear weapons – if this were not the case, a country like North Korea would no longer exist. So you are right in a way – but not because there is no military superpower comparable to the US, but because nuclear weapons exist, which makes conventional military superiority superfluous. That was simply not the case in the Second World War.

As I said, I think the Chinese have recognized this, which is why they are investing their money much more wisely. Also, as I said, we are talking about inconceivable amounts of money - such amounts that you could easily pay for decent social security for every US citizen, as is the case in virtually every Western country besides the US. That seems much more sensible to me.