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Greta Thunberg kidnapped on Gaza flotilla; videos show Israeli forces hijacking Madleen
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Why is everyone so hands off and permissive with Israel? Like they can do nothing wrong when they go out of their way to do wrong things?
Israel has a huge lobby in most Western countries. And Epstein material on their politicians.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-steven-hoffenberg-intelligence-agencies-spy-1197708/
It does but the lobby wouldn't be allowed to exist if Isntreal weren't a useful tool for the US-aligned empire. The lobby is a how, not a why.
I don't think Epstein dirt is that powerful. We live in a post-truth time. Powerful men have been getting away withremoved kids for a long time, see Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin for a less political example.
So why doesn't Trump pick up the phone and tell Netanyahu to stop the genocide?
Because that's not in the US empire's interests
For Germany: Israel is an indulgence for the Holocaust.
For the USA: Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a largely hostile region that is protected by international law.
For the rest of Western Europe: They are vassals of the US, so naturally they don’t want to piss of their daddy.
For everyone else: they don’t want to provoke the US either.
Don't forget that the rest of Europe benefits from the imperialist projection in the same ways as the US does.
That should go without saying.
It should but people love giving Europe a pass whenever they can for some reason.
Literally this. This should never be left unsaid, actually it should be underscored.
This makes the most sense.
it should be fairly obvious to everyone by now. Israel is an extension of the US, their unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east, or as Biden put it "if israel didn't exists, we would have to invent it to protect our interests in the region."
also it's fairly obvious that the "rules based order" is nothing more than a "might makes right order" enforced by the US.
Israel has hit bourgeois internationalism with a sledgehammer, it's actually interesting to see. Even in the war of Ukraine, the libs using that as an argument to oppose Russia with, have basically dropped that talking point in late 2023.
manufactured consent and capitalist profit. it’s a cult.
Western Kabuki
Do you mean governments or people?
People don't have much power here. Other than boycotts, what can people do?
For governments, Israel is fairly powerful. They have powerful lobbyists, and aren't shy to leverage claims of antisemitism against anybody who speaks up against Israel. In many cases, there's also the guilt over how jews were treated in WWII. This is one reason Germany is so incredibly pro-Israel. Then there's the fact that Israel is still more-or-less a democracy, which makes it unique in the middle east. It's the one country in the region pushing back against various Islamic fundamentalist goverments, movements and terrorist groups. Many countries don't want to lose that "friend".
And then there's spyware. Most of the best spyware in the world is produced in Israel. Some cynical people would say that countries don't want to lose access to the world's best producer of spyware. Some even more cynical people would say that that spyware has already been used on politicians and Israel is using it for blackmail. Who knows what the right level of cynicism is.
How many are still alive? That excuse has long expired.
You can thank the CIA for that.
It's not individual guilt, it's institutional guilt. In many other cases that's a good thing. We want German kids to grow up learning about the holocaust and thinking "we can't allow that to ever happen again". I don't think what's happening in Gaza could happen in Germany because of what Germans are taught growing up.
OTOH, in Israel they seem to only be taught that jews are victims and can never be perpetrators.
Yeah, they were involved. They were saving the world from the dangers of communism. Looking back, all the west really had to do was sit back and wait for the communist system to collapse. But, I wonder what the middle east would look like without the CIA's interference. It sure seems unlikely it would be a land of healthy, stable democracies. Look at all the places where the CIA didn't interfere. Countries ruled by strongmen is the rule rather than the exception.
But, however we got here, that has been Israel's traditional role. It was a democratic country with somewhat similar values to the west, nestled among Islamic Arab countries with very different values.
I think they kind of overdid it 'cos know they activelly defend nazis...
Don't forget that Epstein was linked to Israel Military intelligence, so there is that...
Western countries never face any consequences for their atrocities.
Old colonial power just became neo colonial powers.
Because if you criticise you're called "Anti Semitic"
BS. Those countries doesn't care about being labeled antisemite they are racist toward palestinians
We just need to help god make the book of revelations happen so Jesus can come back!
/s
Greed.
please i beg you to stop making the US seem as the victim when they're the top dog.
This is a complete inversion of the relationship and a very loud antisemitic dog whistle
While their statement is a hyperbolic and reductive statement about only the other side of the symbiotic relationship, we must also not strip Israel of its agency. Also, Israel≠Jews, as much as Israel tries to convince you they are the same.
In the macro scale. Yes, Israel is propped up by the west as a powerful tool against other regional powers and the imperial system funnels funds into their upkeep.
But it's also true that in the micro scale. Politicians are more directly and personally rewarded to keep those funds flowing (AIPAC exists regardless of tropes) and Israel uses the leverage they have as one of the more valuable strategic tools to grant them leeway others wouldn't have.
It's a two way street. Israel and The US/west aren't parasites leeching off one or the other, they're symbiotic.
Sure, there's a two-way relationship, but the US is the global hegemon (or at least was until very recently), while Israel is a regional power. They may both influence each other, but the US has more say in the relationship.
great job hiding the "jews control everything" slander.
Replace jew/Israel with zionist if it helps you. It's more accurate anyway.
Do you like having a job and a place to live? That's why.