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[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

the difference is you named a bunch of dead ideologies that will never be revived, ML is literally the only form of marxism still flourishing

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Speculation and also not relevant.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how is that speculation, its material; Im only interested in ideologies with proven merit.

Im willing to take a chance of a synthesis on a new idea, but it has to actually offer people something.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's speculation because you don't know what the future holds. And just because you're not interested in a particular ideology or don't think it has merit doesn't make it any less communist.

My only point is that words do in fact have meaning, Marxist-Leninism is not synonymous with communism. Therefore, one can be anti-tankie without being anti-communist.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

You can be, but that would be called 'idealism' and no one outside of western liberal spheres will take you seriously.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

"Orthodox Marxists" can hardly be said to exist, because the classical formulation of Marxism has long been empirically refuted, hence the need for new schools. Even Luxembourgists are more respectable than "Orthodox Marxists".

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

have you confused the internet for a court room?

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, just trying to have a rational, good faith discussion.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your position is idealist and neither rational nor good faith - don't expect others to meet you with merits your position lacks.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't see how acknowledging that other branches of communism and Marxism exist is idealism, bad faith, or irrational.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because you only advocate for ideas that dont exist in reality, and deride actually existing marxism as 'tankie', you can continue to advocate for idealist positions, but it requires you to build a coherent movement around it otherwise its just masterbation and contrarianism.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not what you've done, though, is it? If you're unable to describe your own arguments, how can you possibly hope to engage with other people?