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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Plants don't have "a will".

Says you. They certainly have a will to reproduce, get sunlight, get water.

You need sentience and a subjective experience of existence for that.

Ok. So anything that doesn't have a subjective experience of existence is morally fine to eat.

Under your rules we can morally eat people in comas.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org -2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I will not debate plant sentience. If you erroneously believe in and care about plant sentience, you should go vegan, by eating them directly far fewer plants are murdered.

Ok. So anything that doesn't have a subjective experience of existence is morally fine to eat.

Nope. Didn't say that either. You were the one hallucinating a carrots will.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If people bring up vegetarianism in an empathy debate then no-one can stop me empathising with the carrot.

[–] tamman2000@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but the point about minimizing plant deaths by eating plants instead of feeding more plants to animals and then eating the animals is a valid one...

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes. Gping further. If you really want to minimise plant deaths then you remove all animals (including humans).

My main point is that empathy and it's focus depends very much on the individual. Empathy is a strong emotional argument but a weak logical one.

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