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I'm certain that religion is responsible, and has been, for nearly every conflict in the last 1500 or so years. Yet, it seems to be entirely ignored by leftists (conservatives don't have a reasonable view) as the cause of problems.
I think you're confusing Liberals with Leftists.
I can't remember a single self-proclaimed "Communist" nation that wasn't anti-Religion.
Tolerance of Religion comes from the Liberal political beliefs side (which many people who are also Leftwingers have) and the modern "Liberals" in places like the US and UK (which are Rightwingers) are the ones who stretch it well beyond tolerance to the point of deeming criticism of some Religions (but not others) as a bad thing, or in other words, activelly supporting certain religions and their values (which as you pointed out, tend to be Corporatist and Fascist).
In summary, Authoritarian Leftwingers tend to be anti-Religion, Liberal Leftwingers tend to tolerate Religion and "Liberal" Rightwingers at the very least defend and sometimes even support certain specific Religions (as far as I can tell, the ones supported by their local money and power elites) but not others.
Besides historical trends and stuff (like how push to literacy denied religion it's power), 'communist' governments directly competed with religion on the ideological table.
Soviet people were given an afterlife-like myth of finally building the communism via socialism, for example, Lenin was a handy translation of Jesus, and so on. All pieces felt into existing sockets, that's how it worked out. It's a win for however found that conversion of ideas for the masses.
(I tolerate faith, I hate religious institutions)
Honestly, it seems that Christianity is the only one mentioned as a problem, normally with a big disclaimer about "not all Christians". Judaism is only really mentioned explicitly with "Judeo-Christian values", as if the founding fathers were staunch members of either religion, which most were not. Authoritarian governments like controlling religion because it can control the people. Leftists (at least the ones I've seen) are mostly ignoring the issues of other religions. Conservative critiques of religion tend to just be actual racism, without criticising the actual problems present.
I'm shocked you're missing the rabid anti-Islamism in most of the West - I mean, half of the support in the West for what Israel is doing comes from the whole "Muslims are violent" idea which in turn derives from over a decade of portraying the phenomenon Sunni Islamit Extremism (which is a tiny minority) as a problem of that religion in general (which is hilarious if one is well informed enough to know that for example, Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the World).
Not that I'm saying that Islam is any better than the rest, by the way, just pointing out the level of prejudice about it from people who literally know nothing at all about it (learning a bit about it is enough to figure out it's pretty complex and learning a bit more is enough to figure out it's as fucked up as most other major religions, just not in the way people think)
Then, of course, there's the whole looking down on animist religions (most of which are African) as "savagery", and also a bit so for Hinduism.
In the West maybe only the Eastern ones like Buddism and Shintoism don't get looked down on, probably because the former was a New Age fad over here and the latter is unknown to most people (and those who do know it, associate it with Japan, which is a country that most people see in a positive light).
The actual religion of Christinanity gets criticized by at most very highly educated agnostic or atheists, whilst for most of the other religions, their practictioners are negativelly viewed by even the most ignorant and ill informed of morons that has no clue whatsoever about the tenets of those religions or the boundary between regional cultural practices and the actual religions.
Correct. Muslims and those that don't practice Christianity are absolutely seen as lesser, which tends to be part of Christianity's being seen as absolutely factual, and all those that don't believe the exact same things are unenlightened savages and/or Satan worshippers. People don't judge Muslims for their actual beliefs, they judge them because of their preconceptions of Islam, which is that its practitioners are all insane, violent, west hating terrorists. I meant that even most reasonable people at most blame some certain ideas of Christianity while neglecting to mention the issues of any other religion or Christianity as a whole. That's not to say that Christianity isn't causing the bulk of the problems caused by religion, it's more that there's other religions that cause more regional problems. I was raised Mormon, which is a group that is widely ignored or tolerated as a strange but reasonable enough cult. It is not. They have some DEEEPPLLYYYY troubling beliefs, including those that they pretend don't exist and never have, namely racism, which only officially ended in 1979 (they wanted to keep tax exempt status), but continues to this day. There's also the homophobia, transphobia, classism, and all other manners of bigotry. They have hundreds of billions of dollars and 2.3 million acres in the US. They own 2% of the state of Florida. They're dangerous. They drive lgbtq+ kids to kill themselves. One of the current leaders approved conversion therapy experiments at BYU when he was the president there. I'm not an expert on Hinduism, I just know what I learned in my 8th grade history class. From what I learned, the upper castes basically colonized India, said that they were better because the religion they imposed on the lower castes said they were, destroyed any sense of class mobility, and had it set up so that their ethnic group would always be in power. Not an expert, any of that could be wrong. Yet, none of that is criticized by conservatives, they just spout untrue racism, probably because they agree with the bad stuff. There's good and bad things to look for in every religion. Conservatives don't know anything about the good or most of the bad, leftists don't really know anything either, but especially ignore the bad. I'm going to finish a this by saying, just because someone believes some wild shit, doesn't mean it's okay to treat them worse than abyone else. God, this is so fucking long lmao