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Apple love to preach "the UI gets out of the way of your content" with each new redesign, but how true is that in practice? Let's compare the total height of the Safari UI with a toolbar, favourites bar and tab bar visible, across the three latest Mac OS design languages – Yosemite, Big Sur and now Tahoe. I've added a red line for emphasis.

It sure looks to me like the UI is eating more into my content with each redesign.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Expanding like that usually is indicative of moves to make the UI more touch friendly. But since Apple seems to be firmly against touchscreen laptops for some dumb reason, who knows what their justification is. Probably something with the word magic or courage.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

for some dumb reason

ive never understood why anyone would want a touch screen on a laptop? If its a foldable to a tablet type laptop, sure. But a regular laptop? why?

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

As someone who has used both, it’s super cool being able to flip your laptop around into a tablet-like interface if you want to, and even use a stylus if you want to. I would love it if Apple laptops did this. Admittedly, I did not know how cool it could be until I actually used one on the daily.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Keyboard, mouse, track pad, track point, all of them have limits. Sometimes just touching what you want to do is more convenient. And if you don't want to use it, then you can ignore it with no adverse effect. It isn't something that's in the way or prevents you from using other input methods.

And at this point the technology is so cheap there's no reason not to include it. Well unless your company's entire profit structure is based on charging exorbitant amounts for minor upgrades and making the lowest cost option almost always have some sort of glaring deficiency to try to push users to pay hundreds more than they need to for the "optional" upgrades that should have just been included and cost pennies on the dollar for the company. Then using your cult like user base to gaslight each other and outsiders into believing they don't actually want something you don't provide.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t understand - what limitation does a keyboard and mouse have which is directly solved by a touchscreen?

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gestures like pinch to zoom or swiping photos are easier with touch. Drawing a shape or writing a signature are another thing.

Multitouch is something a mouse can’t do at all. Macs have quite a nice set of gestures that can be used with the touchpad. A touch screen could use similar gestures.

For laptops touch screens are useful. Especially on convertible laptops, that transform into a tablet when folding over the screen completely. Also when you’re using it with more than one person at the same time.

For desktops, I don’t really see much of a benefit. Apple’s touchpads are pretty nice for that use case. I used to have a mouse on the right and a touchpad on the left of my keyboard.

Apple has completely failed to build a great convertible laptop for many years now. Windows laptops do it somewhat okay, but this is the product category where Apple could actually build something great. Apple Pencil on a convertible MacBook would fly off the shelves.

Since Tim Cook’s reign started there has been little vision regarding product design.

Apple should go beyond iOS, iPadOS, macOS to a unified operating system with an adaptive UI. I want to connect my phone with an M-series chip inside (or watch) to a thunderbolt hub and have a full desktop experience. iOS/iPadOS are too neutered. macOS is too neglected. VisionOS is a dead end toy.

I don’t want synchronization between four devices, I want one device that does everything and connects to various peripheries.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I want that too but with Linux + Waydroid on software, Convertible form factor + VoLTE + x86 on hardware side

[–] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It’s not a big power user feature, and one typically doesn’t sit there using the touch screen for minutes on end. It’s more useful for dismissing alerts or quickly focusing IM windows. It’s just nice in small moments where you’re juggling multiple things at your desk or just sitting back down. Being able to not think and jab your browser window to scroll down a bit is a natural gesture, even on a laptop.