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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 68 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (8 children)

Power consumption is a massive reason to really not do that. Its cheap for a reason, its takes a shitload of power to be shit and you will pay more in energy than you save in hardware unless its only powered on for short periods of time - a server typically isn't.

This is actually something that applies to cheap products too. Was in Asda a little while ago and saw 2 LED bulbs with the same lumen rating. Cheaper one used 3w more and you only saved £1. Running it for 8 hours a day for a year would cost double that saving in electricity. For a server you are looking at almost £2 per watt each year. Does that ewaste look so good to you now?

Some things are absolutely worth getting second hand, but you really should be careful considering the power cost as well.

Quick edit: If you don't need it running 24/7, consider something like AWS too. I love selfhosting but if its not running much it might be cheaper to not bother buying hardware.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

This is generally not true. If you are using your laptop as a home server chances are it's going to be idling 99% of the time and laptops are generally pretty good in terms of idle power draw if you manage to disable the screen (or just disconnect it, take it off and find a way to repurpose it)

And in terms of environmental impact saving a laptop from landfill is definitely better since the majority of a computers impact is from the co2 emmissions from the manufacturing process. And this isn't taking into account the likely ethical considerations such as supporting terrible mining practices for resources like cobalt.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 hours ago

these shitty win8 laptops are surprisingly low power and efficient though.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Are you living on a space station? What is this shitload of power? A whole 60 watts? Are you rationing AA batteries to run your household?

What is it with the bullshit fanciful rationalizations people come up with to consume consume consume?

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And that's 60W while charging. In idle with the screen off, low end laptops often consume as little as 2-3W. Which is not far off from a pi.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

lowendtalk, hella cheap vps with plenty of resources for most self hosted apps, the issue with it is usually storage space but there are ways around that connecting your drives from elsewhere

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Warning tho, hella shills too but you could literally make a post asking if certain companies on the site that have active threads are scams and get valid responses that don't get removed or anything so thats nice, like half of the ones I looked at were giving less resources than they claimed

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 14 points 15 hours ago

Aren't laptops typically very energy efficient? Low consumption converts to high battery life, which is a priority for laptop hardware.

Some of them consume less than 10W.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yes actually still sounds good. Raspberry Pis actually have quite high power draw compared to the performance they give. Like sure the number might be smallish but the performance they give and functionality they have is awful compared to even a mini PC which use similar power. Mini PCs btw are actually one of the best options in performance per watt and can still be cheap, plus they have upgradable RAM and storage. A Mac mini is more expensive but will thrash everything else in efficiency and performance per watt, although non-upgradable. Even slightly older laptops will only draw tens of watts when fully charged, vs a desktop or proper server that could pull 100W even at idle in some cases. Older laptops tended to be more upgradable too.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not taking electronics advice from someone who uses the term lappies.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Where I'm from those were 10$ and legal in Quebec.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There's lots of ways to make existing hardware more efficient at the cost of performance. Under-volting the CPU and RAM (or just putting them in "efficiency" mode) can probably save more electricity than you lose in generational improvements. Considering how much more powerful PCs are compared to SBCs, you'd probably still have better performance than an SBC. Also, a more powerful CPU that takes double the power but as a result can idle for more than 50% of the time would be more efficient than a less powerful CPU never idling.

There's a lot of other variables (like idle power draw, efficiency at various power levels, idle latency, etc), but in general I think your statement would be inaccurate at least 60% of the time.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I am not saying specifically get a raspberry pi, personally looking at a bee-link N150 mini PC. It isn't even that much more expensive than the 16GB raspberry pi and as its x86 I can just run normal debian installs in proxmox.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The post is talking about RPis and other SBCs. Mini PCs are in a whole different category.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, but this is about self hosting and it's costs, so the comparison is relevant.