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The US House of representatives is preparing to vote next week on a resolution that would deem “Free Palestine” to be “an antisemitic slogan.” (lemmy.ml)
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The US House of representatives is preparing to vote next week on a resolution that would deem “Free Palestine” to be “an antisemitic slogan.”

If anybody votes against this, they’ll say they voted to support Colorado terrorist attack.

Update (from comments): A Nitter link to the Ryan Grim tweet in the screenshot:
https://
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#USpol #FreePalestine #Genocide #Israel #Antisemitism #Fascism
#Palestine @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I've never heard of a republican being called a liberal though. I've seen memes with "libtards", "libtears," etc. That to me says liberals aren't republicans.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago

I’ve never heard of a republican being called a liberal though.

US casual political rhetoric is all kinds of screwed. In political science terms, plenty of Republicans are conservative liberals, Libertarians are essentially classical liberals, and the people you're used to calling liberals are social liberals, aka progressive liberals. The USA is [still...] a liberal democracy, one of the many types of democracy.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t know how you’ve been on Lemmy for two years and are hearing this for the first time. Previously:

Liberalism has a definition, which Marxists (and still many liberal Europeans) have never forgotten, though thanks to red scare purges and two cold wars, others have. Now, in Orwellian fashion, “liberalism” and “socialism” are floating signifiers, so we have liberals like Sanders calling themselves socialists, despite never calling for abolishing private ownership of the means of production.

Wikipedia: socialism: Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

Wikipedia: liberalism: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

“Private property,” a.k.a. “the means of production.”

What people in the US usually call “conservative” and what they call “liberal” are both liberal. Fascists in the Republican party aside, both it and the Democratic party are liberal parties. And liberalism and fascism have more in common than most people realize.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're not calling republicans liberals, they're calling republicans fascists

[–] jollycooperation@jorts.horse 1 points 2 days ago

@Amnesigenic @pelespirit Yeah I'm saying they're both fascists but also that conservatism is liberalism. Western factions have a bunch of annoying terminology. Like "leftists" or "the left" being the dems to a lot of people. Or tje british labour party @pelespirit @palestine

[–] jollycooperation@jorts.horse 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@pelespirit @AlexanderTheDead Neoconservatism is actually a branch of economic liberalism

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This just seems like a way to confuse the labels and cause infighting even if it's somewhat correct. Like when republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln, they're trying to step back from from their bad choices and racism so they can get reelected.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, that was the purpose of the curated distinction. These labels were understood in the past and intentionally muddied to disrupt unity against them.

So now, for example, instead of a liberal party and a labor party, you have 2 liberal parties. One who identifies as "liberal" while the other identifies as "conservative" but they ultimately serve the same purpose.

They want to pass the narrative that liberalism isn't a conservative ideology and vice versa because that serves their purposes. They want people to fight over which brand of liberalism they prefer, not whether they want liberalism at all.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Because

  • propaganda is most effective when defining and directing allowable discourse
  • economics as understood by the electorate needs to be simplified and restricted in order to be controlled
  • terms like ‘liberal’ have been subsumed into identity politics to direct attention away from economic possibilities
  • social issues are emotional and so more manipulable
  • this misdirection allows for a controlled opposition, much like brands on a store shelf competing for sales yet made by the same company
[–] jollycooperation@jorts.horse 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@pelespirit Please don't engage in guesswork based on American political mythology. https://annas-archive.se/md5/67557b8f7b42be96aa9a10ef865fd1db

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile in this thread:

@pelespirit blue MAGA attacking anti genocide and pro Palestinians, just like thy did about Ralf Nader or Jill Stein for the Fuck up of their policies.

They have voted for every anti Palestinian and pro genocide legislation and program GOP put ahead of them.

[–] jollycooperation@jorts.horse 0 points 2 days ago

@pelespirit Oh lol I thought you were a Jill Stein supporter I misread that. Can you restate what exactly your problem is? I'd prefer you take the book recommendation and go be annoying to someone else.

[–] jollycooperation@jorts.horse -1 points 2 days ago

@pelespirit Demonrats and rethuglicans must all be vanquished. Yeah Jill Stein's pretty lame but I find I agree with you and other supporters on 90% of issues so it's chill

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I'm not sure how you're confused by anything being said right now. You could have said "both are fascist" or something if that's the point you wanted to make. What you said didn't make any sense. You said "where are the republicans" when they were being mentioned. Idk. Weird. Maybe a typo or something.