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That's fascism, folks.
Arm yourselves.
Also, maybe don't do something dumb like vote 3rd party or abstain from voting next time around. Y'all were warned. Now it's happening.
What about all the votes that were lost, removed, not counted? The way the elections, gerrymandering and more, Its all rigged.
Look, if the only plan to stop the fascist uprising that has been building for decades was "win every election forever", then there was no fucking plan. This shit was going to happen at some point.
Stop scolding people for not falling in line with you and start figuring out what to do next.
"Arm yourselves" and liberal vote-scolding in the same comment. Incredible.
Oh have you guys come up with a cute name that lets you dismiss it easier?
It isn't just liberals that are pissed at people like you, and your characterization is bullshit.
Unless the new definition du jour of "liberal" is "someone who was able to understand their own electoral system enough to vote for Kamala Harris instead of handing power to literal fascists"
Have you losers come up with a plan to win elections?
What do you think the goal of elections is? Just to "win"? This very post demonstrates military force against our own citizens--are you ok with that? I think it's something we should all be opposing.
We're all losing when we lose fundamentals of our democracy and our right to protest.
It's ironic of you to ask me what the goal of elections is. As far as I can tell, democrats worship the status quo and civility. I used to think that democrats didn't utilize political power when they had it, because that would be "tacky" or something. Now I've seen enough to realize that they don't really want to change anything. If you keep voting for people like that, what can you possibly hope to achieve, aside from just to "win"?
It's ironic that you're lecturing "democrats" on worshipping the status quo while parroting the current right wing status quo propaganda. If you ignore what the media says, and instead look at actual votes (congress.gov) or watch congressional sessions on cspan, it should be very clear that a good amount of democrats tend to be the ones trying to govern, while the right wingers are constantly sabotaging everything they do in the name of corporate profit, then blaming dem's for the fallout from whatever shitty thing the right wingers did instead of what the dem's wanted.
Can't tell you how many times I've watched dems lay out thoroughly researched, thoughtful plans on policy, or thoroughly explain how the policies the far-right implemented are screwing working-class Americans, only to have some right winger passionately "rebut" their arguments with complete nonsense, get their 5 second media clips, then sit down and stare at their phones not paying attention until it's their time to talk again.
Everything they tell you dem's are doing, they're the ones doing it. And now they're telling you that what I'm saying is what OUR propaganda is telling us. It's all bullshit. I've been watching the behind the scenes stuff for almost 10 years. It's been this way the entire time. And btw, I started doing this because I used to consider myself a libertarian until I started noticing the lies. Particularly how the party of "individual freedom" fought so hard against same sex marriage (a freedom heteros have, that every INDIVIDUAL of legal age should have). I bought completely into the propaganda and didn't realize how far I was from understanding what was actually going on until I really started questioning everything. I hope you can muster the intellectual honesty to question things in a similar way.
Newsflash: the republicans fucking win with their bullshit. A major component of politics is connecting with people. You can connect with lies and you can connect with truth, but long, technocratic explanations rarely. Like it or not, sound bites win elections.
Oh right, blame the voters in a rigged election. Makes total sense.
Yup. Until they take responsibility for the impact of their ego stroking and try to do anything at all to help, we're not going to let the people just shy of collaborators forget it.
Ironic since the Democratic party not supporting ranked choice voting is its own ego play. They just can’t stomach the idea of there being more than two parties. Same on the right. Unfortunately this centrism has resulted in the status quo.
No. It's a control play to try to maintain power (including wealth inequality). Egotists are involved but they're different things.
How is “I want to maintain power” not an ego play?
It's something that egotistical people might do but, they might also lie about the importance of their job or pay people to follow them around in an entourage. Not all egotists are as power hungry as politicians frequently are some want to be loved and adored.
The motivation matters and, while those that lust for power generally are egotistical, egotism itself isn't usual the reason.
Especially when so many continue to double and triple down rather than just accept that they fucked up.
At least the "Arabs for Trump" folks did a pretty much immediate about face. Still awful that they existed in the first place, but at least they had the wherewithal to walk it back when reality hit them.
So many people here just refuse to, and will call your progressive beliefs into question because you don't bury your head in the sand like them
They were too small a group to appeal to, now they're solely to blame.
Which is it?
That was always a lie. But they are among the least reliable voters.
I mean, you can't ignore people or treat them with undisguised contempt if you want them to be reliable voters.
I think that that is looking at the problem from the wrong angle (even if it is extremely common). We need to not give a fuck what they think of us as we subvert their party and force it into something that's actually at all Left of center. That's impossible with people sitting out elections (especially primaries) and offering zero meaningful resistance to or action against the fascist Right.
democrats successfully argued in court that they don't need to run honest primaries. They didn't even have them last year.
How do you read "take responsibility for their impact" and then jump to "solely to blame." I swear people just hear what they want so they have a reason to be angry.
Are they to blame, or are they small enough to ignore?
Which one? I get that you want both. But you only get one.
Found the 3rd party voter I guess.
The democratic party is a corpse these days.
That's the assumption whenever someone contradicts centrist orthodoxy.
It's wrong, but centrists never let that stop them.
Actually, yeah. A lot of people voted third party and many more stayed home. I will blame them.
What can your party do to appeal to them next time?
Hint: it's not "jettison marginalized groups" or "move to the right." That got us here.
You mean saying "I would do nothing different from Joe Biden" wasn't enough to sway voters to vote? Wow what else could she possibly have done?
Running on the endorsement of Dick Cheney and promising to appoint a republican to her cabinet, naturally.
Thank God we avoided that, right? Right?
I would have thought eating the same gruel every day would have prevailed over eating saute shit a la fascism. As it turns out, Americans aren't good at binary decision making and some like to be imaginary revolutionaries.
You have the electorate you have. Appeal to them for the first fucking time or keep losing.
I'd rather watch it all burn. The petri dish is long overdue for a rinse in this terribly drawn out social experiment.
Centrism manifest. You would rather destroy than listen to the voters you hate.
I grow apathetic of the purity politics and blind gluttony of the left, yet as a progressive I am obliged to play their game? Fuck that. The price of ignorant bliss is suffering, and I refuse to pander to privileged electorates that think they can afford to play with peoples lives. This isn't centrism, it's giving up.
As opposed to a party that is taking advantage of a situation that lets them move as far to the right as they want without accountability.
six of one, half dozen of the other.
Enabling, protecting and funding blatant genocide?
Purity politics have enabled more than one genocide, thanks to the non-voter.
If Harris had ditched the genocide funders in the last weeks of the election she'd be president right now.