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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“Progressives” lost because they’re throwing all their weight behind a few big issues that are very disagreed with by the majority of the population - gender ideology, immigration, socialism/communism, at the top of that pile - and getting aggressive, instantly going to name calling and threatening violence, calling for censorship and “de-platforming”, and trying to get people fired and ruin the lives of at anyone who doesn’t blindly follow along.

The blue collar workers? Dems don’t give a fuck about them. White people? Bend the knee to everyone and apologise constantly or get fucked. Men? Fuck everything about you unless you identify as a different gender or are in the country illegally.

It’s really not surprising to anyone outside of the democrat bubble that calling half the country Nazis, bigots, and a half a dozen “phobes” is a bad idea. Also do you realise you’re just admitting to trying to “buy” election wins by essentially importing and bribing immigrants to vote Democrat? That’s another reason the democrats got annihilated.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also, after they lost they said anyone who didn’t vote for Kamala was a racist, sexist, nazi almost guaranteeing they will lose mid terms. I’ve moved from Dem to independent because it is clear Dems hate my existence more than they care about winning

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's kinda hard to look at what's currently happening in the US and not feel like every person who failed to vote against trump is a bit of an asshole. What a nightmare we all have to live through now.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 2 days ago

Agreed, but you're not going to win anyone over by calling them an asshole and progressives do need to win more people over. Or at the very least get them off their asses and I into the voting booths.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people making the USA a nightmare at the moment are the people that didn’t vote for trump. They’re the ones rioting, attacking people, looting nike stores, burning cars, etc - all because immigration laws are finally being enforced.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 2 days ago

Straight to name calling and trying to censor people. Hmm, didn't I just say something about the "progressives" jumping straight to that and it costing them dearly?

Seems you still haven't learned.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In your mind, what is happening that would cause someone who voted for Trump to be an ass hole, if the other candidate was calling them sexist and racist and an incel loser without even knowing them?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Project 2025, deportations with no due process, ignoring court orders, destroying all sense of confidentiality to foreign adversaries in the govt, cutting every govt program that politically disagrees with them, starting a useless war with Iran, appointing the worst possible people to his cabinet, pardoning J6 terrorists and calling for the jailing of the J6 committee, trying to fire every judge who disagrees with him, dismantling and wasting our foreign aid resources, not to mention countless counts of lying, cheating, raping, scamming, corruption, hate, etc. Literally name a thing and he's done it. And this is just off the top of my head.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never convicted of rape, said he doesn’t agree and won’t implement project 2025, he didn’t start a war with Iran, the people he is deporting are here illegally and violent criminals who have had due process, the Russia hoax was just that ie a hoax, both democrats and republicans constantly cut programs they disagree with once in power, that’s not a Trump thing, he pardoned J6 rioters that have not had due process after 4 years (you know the thing you complained about illegal immigrant violent criminals not getting), you’re a moron if you didn’t think USAID was a CIA slush fund, since you are so concerned about foreign wars, and you are an even bigger moron if you think Trump is the only politician that lies, they all do it frequently.

Stop reading and giving into propaganda…

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not even going to properly respond to this, if I could convince you you'd already have seen the truth. Stop watching fox news. Blocked

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Classic leftist, don’t engage in debate, retreat to your safe space and live in your propaganda filled world.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Project 2025 has nothing at all to do with trump or this admin lol. “No due process” only if you ignore all the due process they’ve already had.

Did you just say that the USA started a war with Iran? Lol come on now.

“Progressives” like you spreading “misinformation” and outright lies like you just did are one of the reasons why you lost almost the entire country.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Did you just say that the USA started a war with Iran? Lol come on now.

Who just launched missiles into whose country? Check the news.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So the USA just out of nowhere launched missiles into Iran and started a war?

The USA aren't at war with Iran lol.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I was mistaken-- we sent fighter pilots over to bomb them. Yup, totally not at war.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah yes because I’m sure whichever idiots run that site are completely unbiased and not at all stretching the truth to fit their agenda.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As opposed to you, who took two of my points and lied about one to refute it? Really unbiased. I've been keeping track myself separately from any particular news site. This admin is a disaster and has done things for no conceivable reason other than greed or gate.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Lied about one? Which point of yours did I supposedly lie about?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Two actually. One, the Trump admin is deporting people with no proper trials and has been ordered by the supreme court to bring people back because they weren't given due process. And two:

Project 2025 has nothing at all to do with trump or this admin

P25 is very well connected to this admin. Six of his cabinet secretaries authored or contributed to the document. Not to mention that they seem to be following the playbook quite closely.