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I often wonder, before society collapses, if the corporations who hid this shit for 45 years will ever face the consequences of their lies. Not really calling for pitchforks but, well, it's the ecosystem... it's our civilization they profited on destroying, and they did so gleefully and the profits were obscene. If there was ever a time to get the torches and pitchforks out.....?
No one will face consequences. Everything the companies are currently doing is legal or unenforceable.
and with fanboy shitbirds like you to stick up for them, perhaps the world isn't worth saving anyway.
Trust me I wish there would be consequences, so most of us could be alive in 20 years.
holding them accountable for genocide wouldn't change the results, it would simply be some iota of justice. there's no turning the bus at this point, the crazies and coal rollers are just gonna keep pushing the gas - we've already gone off the cliff. The question that remains is can anything be saved that will resemble our civilization? It will take hundreds of years to reduce back from 2c and we def won't stop at 2c.
Yes, giant geo engineering projects will kill way less people than runaway global warning. Let's do the Matrix movie thing where we covered our planet in continuous cloud cover. \s
this is why I'd prefer to skip geoengineering and, though the scale is mind-boggling and the costs tremendous, go full hog on a solar occluder. a big disc in space made of lunar regolith and recycled space junk. this is a herculean task, but would prevent us from playing scary games with our one breathing, semi-functional atmosphere. by blocking a small but growing percentage of sunlight, as the project goes on, it should be possible to keep ground level temps from getting deadly hot. eventually you could build solar generation on such a space object and microwave gigawatts back to earth, while simultaneously lowering global temps in a controllable manner.
I know a lot of this sounds pie-in-the-sky, but really it's the convergence of many, many different fields opening possibilities never speculated upon in the past. Automated manufacturing, robot mining, lunar-based perskovite solar cell manufacturing, SpaceX's starship to haul all this shit to the moon and start building - so many of these individual parts either didn't exist at all 20 years ago, or were fantastic leaps of science fiction - and now they're literally coming together. And boy do we need 'em all.
I see this is as the ultimate make/break point for our species, yeah we achieved spaceflight and nuclear power and, I dunno, The Rolling Stones, but if we can't survive the effluence our industrial output exhales we really aren't shit as a species. We'll have to work together too.
so... \s or not, if we don't do this and traipse down the road of injecting some more shit into the atmosphere attempting to correct temporarily for the other shit we injected into the atmosphere for 300 years, I suspect it's gonna be a rougher road and end in a very interesting fossil record thesis for some future species' exo-anthropology dissertation.
The think with 'justice' is that's a social process. That's why we use pitchforks, to make sure to get that message across: there are consequences for non-equivocally evil deeds.
I think there's a concerted effort to keep the scale of how bad things are now, and how exceptionally shitty they're going to be much sooner than anyone thought - because the frog won't jump out of a slowly boiling pot. And by the time we know it's fucked, we'll be hiding from the sun in bunkers or dead from never ending 50c+ heat waves.
You are right. That means we better hurry !
Just look at Brazil's winter - https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/08/25/winter-heatwave-another-south-american-country-is-sweltering-in-record-temperatures
Four state capitals recorded the year’s highest temperature on Wednesday. Cuiabá, in central-western Brazil, the highs reached 41.8°C. Residents in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, Brazil’s two most populous cities, were also hit by the heatwave. In Rio, temperatures reached 38.7°C on Thursday - the city's second hottest day of 2023.
what's going to happen in summer? it's hard not to be hopeless. when people are driving their fucking gas guzzling coal rollers around like nbd going to walmart fuck the libs....
we could put all the world on renewable energy and I still suspect the assholes will demand their feedumb to pollute the already wrecked atmosphere.
Indeed. Yet, hope to live in a green and tolerant society is never dead until we "the greens", "the anarchists", "the socialists", "the terrorists", "the hippies", are all dead.
Hopelessness gives space to inaction, and the power to change things requires being active. I firmly believe in the people, like you, who cares and take action. Hence, is reason enough for me to keep on fighting: connect means and ends. It is possible that we'll die and we'll still not be where we want to be, but the mere act to organize and work on this project is to make the idea a material reality. It will make easier for more people to follow.
My friend, let's not give more space to hopelessness, since the work we have to do is to not let it grow. And if we can, even plant the seeds of hope like the Ejercito Zapatista de Liberación Nacional (EZLN) or Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES) show us. Or even, in the case for Brazil, Movimento dos Trabalhadores Rurais Sem Terra (MST).