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The Bible, at least the NT, also clearly says love all humanity including, no, especially the sinner. Hell the Bible says just about everything if you read the whole thing.
I mean this is what homophobes use when they say "hate the sin, love the sinner". You are still a sinner. And this isnt just some interpretation or parable, it clearly says it is an abomination. It's just silly.
Those people conveniently ignore the fact the Bible says all are sinners. It's always easier to judge others.
I didn't say it's not but...
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
And most importantly: Matthew 7:1-3
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
By rejecting the sinner and allowing yourself to feel hatred, judging them, you are committing the gravest sin. You imagine yourself to speak for God. To judge in His stead.
So you're saying it's contradicting itself?
No, I'm saying Jesus' teachings are intended as a guide for your own life, but He is very explicitly telling you not to use them to judge and condemn others.
These are both (the quotes I provided, Jesus's teachings) parts of the bible. They contradict each other. Ergo, as I said, the bible is contradicting itself.
If you want to filter the bible to be "just the teachings of Jesus" that's your prerogative, but the vast majority of Christians are not doing that, and the bible is provided and preached in it's full, unabridged format at churches across the world.
Fine if you want to be pedantic about it. It's a 2000 year old text, transcribed countless times. My point was never that the Bible is perfect but that if you want to follow it, it explicitly prohibits peolle using it to condemn others.
I really don't know what point you're trying to make here.
I made the point several comments ago, it hasn't changed. The point I made was that there are a ton of explicit homophobic teachings in the bible.
As I said, this is not broadly agreed upon by a majority of Christians, yet you keep stating it like it is. I leave it to Christians to pick and choose the word of God much as they ever have but no one of them gets to call the shots on bible interpretation any more than another.
It's clear many Christians don't agree. They tend to cherry pick those parts of the Bible that appeal to them. If that's also the point you're trying to make then we're in agreement.