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Who cares what people "feel"? It has nothing to do with "feelings". Just calculate how much it actually costs to live comfortably, and you'll find that $150k works.
You can't define "comfortably" without feeling.
You can, though. At least to the extent of saying that "comfortable" means that all your basic needs are met, and you have money left over for more than that. How much more, is a matter of preference...but as long as that basic minimum is met, the rest is just different degrees of comfort.
Read the article. It tells you the numbers, and has an alternative definition of "comfortable": financially secure.
Make sure to read before telling people what's meant.
Well, then I can say that $40k is definitely "comfortable." That's $1500 rent, $300/month food, another $200 gas/elec/internet, a thousand left over for odds & ends and another couple hundred saved.
Pretty much my budget in a MCOL major metro.
What about taxes? Health Insurance? Car insurance or transportation budget. You can live comfortably on $10 a day for food?? $3.30 a meal? That eats up the rest of that $1300 a month and leaves nothing for entertainment, savings, gifts or dating. Nothing left for meeting that health insurance deductible so you still can't go to the doctor. Survivable? Absolutely! Doesn't sound comfortable to me though.
Don't really have taxes at that income level. In the US, ACA pays full insurancne premium (currently, that will change if the billionaire tax cut passes), and 'wellness checkups' are $0 out-of-pocket by law. Most of my dinner recipes are around $2.50/serving at 900 calories. I'm able to walk most places I go, but car insurance is $100/month. Don't feel like dating, raising kids, or making big vacations. I average something around $7-800/month on 'entertainment' like video games & hobby materials, which leaves $300-400 savings. $350/month is 10%, which is around 2x the US average savings rate (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PSAVERT). Savings for emergencies like insurance deductible and for retirement.
But that's my point: my housing probably isn't everyone's idea of 'comfortable,' my diet is pretty carb-heavy and probably not everyone's idea of 'comfortable.' I like it, though. It feels comfortable to me; I don't consciously restrict any of my spending - all the numbers I've given you are post hoc analysis. I've been doing it for a decade.
I don't dispute people feeling like they need $150k to live comfortably. Lots of people want kids. Lots of people want to take a nice vacation time-to-time. There's a massive propaganda machine out there trying to convince everyone that they need just a little more than they have right now to feel good about themselves, and I believe that propaganda starts wearing thin by the time you get to $150k, $200k. They've got to live their life; I can only live mine.
You don't have kids? Plan to retire? Have an emergency savings amount? No credit card debt? Car loans? Student loans?
I probably should have been more clear when I said "minimum basic requirements". I wasn't talking "survival"...I was talking about "comfort". The point at which you are no longer living paycheck-to-paycheck.
I was also assuming household income...not individual...so I should have been more specific there, as well.
I make about twice what you calculated, and my bank account is consistently at zero after all my household expenses are covered. That's for my family...not just me. I have no emergency savings, which means if anything in my life breaks down, I go into debt just to pay for repairs...and it takes months to finish paying it off. That's not "comfortable". It's eternally stressful, since emergencies like that usually come up more often than I can pay off the last one.
My point, though, was that it's all quantifiable. Even the differences between individual circumstances can be calculated. Everyone can look at their life and "know" the number that would get them into that "comfort zone".
That's what I said: "Comfortable" depends on feelings. Once you know what feels comfortable, then you can quantify.
Feelings are important because without them, there would be a concrete number of dollars at which a person starves to death. One more dollar and they live. Once we know that number, the right wing will begin pushing everyone towards it.
Feelings are important because I want to enjoy a twinkie every now and then. I want to be able to afford a day off for mental health, or a friend's birthday. There should be healthy ambiguity in the number of dollars it costs to live because without it there's just near-starvation.
Wanting a Twinkie here and there and a new iPad/car every year is very different. What you want is found pretty much anywhere that isn't touched by imperialism and war in general, lol. But maybe the average American can't be happy and comfortable without many expensive toys? Or life is just expensive AF invariably there, idk.
The article mentions "living comfortable" as "financially secure". Financial security generally means having enough money to comfortably cover your current living expenses and future financial needs, without undue worry about money.
Mmm. I guess academic and medical debt are scary by themselves, and that's a very American experience I completely forgot about...