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Republicans on the House Small Business Committee pressed Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm on Thursday for answers on proposed energy-efficiency standards for ceiling fans.

The proposed standards were first published in the Federal Register in June, and the comment period closed earlier this week. According to the Energy Department, the rule as applied to standard residential ceiling fans would cut fan-related electricity costs by about 40 percent relative to the least efficient fans currently available.

The House panel presented the rules as burdensome to ceiling fan manufacturers, particularly smaller ones.

“This proposed rule would decrease the maximum estimated energy consumption permissible for large diameter and belt driven ceiling fans,” committee Republicans wrote. “This rule would require numerous small business fan manufacturers to redesign their products and may put between 10 and 30 percent of small business ceiling fan manufacturers out of business. It appears that the Department of Energy may not have properly considered small entities during this rulemaking process.”

An Energy Department spokesperson told The Hill this aspect has been mischaracterized, saying in an email that the one-time total conversion cost would be about $107 million for all manufacturers.

“The incremental cost to consumers is $86.6 million annually, while the operating cost savings are $281 million annually — both at a 7 percent discount rate,” the spokesperson said. “The savings are more than triple the incremental costs.”

The spokesperson noted the standards, “which are required by Congress,” would not be in effect for five years and would save Americans “up to $369 million per year, while substantially reducing harmful air pollution — a crucial fact that some have conveniently failed to mention.”

Efficiency standards for home appliances have become culture war flashpoints under the Biden administration. The administration has restored a number of efficiency rules rolled back under the Trump administration, including for shower heads, water heaters and gas furnaces.

The most umbrage, however, has been reserved for efficiency regulations over gas stoves, beginning last year when Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. approved a request for information on hazards associated with the devices, which the CPSC formalized in March. Although Trumka has said there are no plans to ban gas stoves, House Republicans have introduced formal legislation this year to legally prevent such a ban.

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The new standard is based on cubic feet of air moved per minute per watt. It's honestly pretty thoughtful in its implementation. I was expecting to see it was just some watt cap on products, but that's not what it is at all; you can still make very powerful fans, they just need to actually be moving meaningful amounts of air.

The main people hurt by a rule change like this will be import brand piece of shit fans that don't blow air and prey on vulnerable consumers. I doubt there is even one single US firm that will be negatively affected by this rule change because the cost of US manufacturing is WAY too high to be selling these dollar store fan products.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-06/ceiling-fans-ecs-nopr.pdf

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would like them to be required to prominently display their power consumption. I feel like every other household appliance I own makes their energy consumption fairly clear, but I have no idea what kind of energy my fans use. Like it's probably more efficient to turn on every fan in my house all day rather than turn on my AC, but I have no idea if that's true.

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can confirm, was shopping for ceiling fans and finding the cfm per power on different power levels was a pain in the arse.

Should be part of Energy Star like other appliances.

As it was I had to search for DC and/or ECM motor fans and go from there.

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much power does one use? Asking for a friend.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Here's one I just installed (DC motor)

https://sofucorfan.com/products/sofucor-flush-mount-ceiling-fan-with-noiseless-reversible-motor-wood-52-inch

36W on full power with the light on. Almost nothing and whisper quiet.

AC fans tend to consume more power and are noisier, around ~75W for a similarly speced fan.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a good way to make sure fan manufacturers aren't putting misleading labels on their fans. Like "Powerful 800W FAN" on the front in big letters but a low CFM rating on a label on the back, if at all.