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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

Wait ... Doesn't "citizenship" mean where you're born?

It's either where you're born or where you live. Which is it?

Wtf even is citizenship then?

"I'm from Ireland" is synonymous with "I'm Irish"... Right?

So if you're born in America, wouldn't you... Be American?

If he takes that away, you aren't just magically from nowhere, you're still American.

This is stupid and makes no sense, it's all just classism and racism. I hate everything.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Doesn’t “citizenship” mean where you’re born?

Only in the new world continents. In Africa, Europe, and Asia it normally means what country your parents and grandparents are from, unless someone in the chain naturalises to a different country.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 52 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Its the same as the election between Obama and McCain, in ways a lot of people dont realize.

Obama, by virtue of having a non-traditional name and not being white, was hounded by birthers despite being born an American citizen clear as day with absolutely no question about it.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone the year before people born in the canal zone were granted citizenship at birth. Arguably he was not a citizen at birth under the definitional requirements of the constitution to be president. He was naturalized as a citizen retroactively.

Palin is part native, and was pretty heavily involved with Alaska Native movements that rejected US sovereignty and thereby rejected claims to citizenship. But no one talked about that either because shes also largely seen as just being a white American.

And yet Obama, who was American thru and thru from birth without question, never was involved with Hawaiian sovereignty movements, is the one whos citizenship was questioned.

“White makes right” is the rule of law to these people

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 7 points 2 hours ago

Sounds about white.

[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

You operate under the assumption that this is a public service. That would make no sense.

But if the assumption is them accumulating more power, then it makes perfect sense.

To be honest I get more mad at people being surprised by their actions. At this point it is so obvious what is happening and why. How can anyone be surprised by any of this?

"Why does this rabid dog bites? How does this make for a better world?"

It is a rabid dog, how could you ever expect something positive to begin with? Put it down already. You don't argue with crazy.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 hours ago

Most people are citizens of where they also live and give birth so this distinction doesn't come up in most cases. But for children born to immigrants or travelers it does.

Citizenship can either be assigned by where you were born, or who you were born to.

Birthright citizenship, as we use the term in the US, is mostly a new world invention. In nearly all countries in the americas, any children born here are citizens without exception. No matter the parents, no matter the circumstances.

In the old world, most countries require a parent to be a citizen in order for the child to also be a citizen.

Generally if an american couple gives birth in Europe, the child will just be american, despite where they were born. If a European couple gives birth in any of the americas, their child will be a citizen of the americas, despite anything else

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 0 points 6 hours ago

Furthermore aren't, at least some of, his kids from ? The youngest psychopath is definitely of imported genetics, does that mean the next oppositional president (ha, like Fatboy is ever going to let go of all that power now he's king of the us) could kick all tRUMPs offspring out?