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lemm.ee has shut down for good (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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lemm.ee has shut down at 00:14 UTC.

unfortunately I realized too late that I have had hundreds of saved links to posts and comments from there, so I did not have enough time to save them, but anyways it is interesting that maybe a third of the post links I could try were dead. I think linkrot is happening much faster here than on reddit, even if just counting deleted posts.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think you are misunderstanding the problem being solved. Expecting all instances to become non-profits and manage even more responsibility exacerbates the problem and inhibits the fediverse growth. Non-profits also have their share of pitfalls and is an entirely different beast.

lemm.ee told you the reason they were shutting down - not enough people to keep the place running and burnout. I can't force you to see how minimizing and distributing responsibility helps those issues if you don't want to. Less responsibility, easier for people not to ditch projects or end them.

That has nothing to do about what they decided to do afterwards. I thank them for not transferring the instance domain to a completely different party without user consent, and people would have disagreed with that so it's best everyone found their own solution. It would even have put their account information at risk.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lemm.ee told you the reason they were shutting down - not enough people to keep the place running and burnout. I can’t force you to see how minimizing and distributing responsibility helps those issues if you don’t want to. Less responsibility, easier for people not to ditch projects or end them.

Lemm.ee had the option to close their registration at any time. But registrations are only one source of user management.

In a scenario where Lemm.ee would have become a content instance, but kept their federation policy, they would still have received all the reports about posts on the communities they hosted, wherever the reported user comes from.

Lemm.ee was the instance with the most active communities after LW, there's no way to avoid a certain level of responsibility.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Like I said, I can't force you to see it.

In a scenario where Lemm.ee would have become a content instance, but kept their federation policy, they would still have received all the reports about posts on the communities they hosted, wherever the reported user comes from.

Being a dedicated content instance provider would also inherently imply dedicating that instance to a certain, more controlled type of content. An authentication instance might want to cater to a geography, which will probably decide to interact with the rest of the world and to provide adequate verification and certification mechanisms. A content instance might want to cater to a geography or a subject, resulting in specialized participation, with certification and verification based on the content, not the user.

You keep seeing monolithic instances that congregate the most communities as a plus. That's a negative in my perspective on the fediverse. It shouldn't be competing reddit clones with the one having the most communities winning out.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Being a dedicated content instance provider would also inherently imply dedicating that instance to a certain, more controlled type of content. An authentication instance might want to cater to a geography, which will probably decide to interact with the rest of the world and to provide adequate verification and certification mechanisms. A content instance might want to cater to a geography or a subject, resulting in specialized participation, with certification and verification based on the content, not the user.

Those control mechanisms were available to lemm.ee. There's a reason most active instances mostly defederate from certain instances.

You keep seeing monolithic instances that congregate the most communities as a plus. That’s a negative in my perspective on the fediverse. It shouldn’t be competing reddit clones with the one having the most communities winning out.

I don't, I'm the one regularly pushing for more decentralization of communities (https://reddthat.com/post/20197120 , e.g. !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com vs !privacy@lemmy.ml)

But I would rather have instances use the tools they currently have (and hopefully more will come with Piefed development catching up) rather than trying to re-engineer the whole platform when some instances don't use the existing moderation tools.