Today I Learned
What did you learn today? Share it with us!
We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.
** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**
Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.
If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.
Partnered Communities
You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.
Community Moderation
For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.
view the rest of the comments
Are you arguing physics aren’t a part of nature…?
Also, natural has more than a single definition, you’re being intentionally obtuse by focusing on one. It also doesn’t mean it’s part of “nature”.
I... Uhhh... I'm not even sure where to start with that... Like, I see the point you're trying to prove, but in the context of your initial comment, it's confusing at best. When you see an airplane flying overhead, leveraging Bernoulli's Principle to seemingly levitate at speed (similar to how air conditioners leverage Bernoulli's Principle to displace heat outside of the area in which you want your air conditioned, and to evaporate refrigerant inside that area), do you point at it and say "ain't nature grand?!" Even an ornithopter, which also leverages Bernoulli's Principle, but uses the natural motion of birds flapping their wings, would still get you odd looks if you called it a part of nature. But I feel like you probably don't call planes or any other man-made vehicles parts of nature. Likely, you're phrasing your question around evaporation, a very natural process, but your initial comment didn't say "evaporation is natural." So, by taking my comment about air conditioners, boiling it down to being about physics, not the fact that it's a man-made appliance that you plug in to achieve anything, you're attempting to frame an argument out of context. But if you want me to follow you down your rabbit hole of bad faith arguments, then here we go! You only specified physics, are you arguing that chemistry isn't part of nature...?
I fail to see which one of dictionary.com’s 38 definitions of natural supports calling an air conditioner a natural dehumidifier. While all forms of air conditioning over time have used some form of energy differential to remove hot air, only the modern electric air conditioner (the kind that's actually called an "air conditioner") specifically condenses air moisture into a mechanism specifically designed to then remove that moisture from the system entirely. In fact, the original electric air conditioning unit was installed at a publishing company to control the humidity and keep the paper from buckling. The term "air conditioning" was later coined when people experimented with reintroducing moisture into airflow systems, proving that they can truly control the temperature and humidity of an area, a process similar to "water conditioning," which was a more well-known term.
If an air conditioner's primary function is removing moisture from air, it would be just as awkward to call it a "natural dehumidifier" as it would be to call a pitching machine a "natural pitcher." An air conditioner isn't "naturally" a dehumidifier, it's literally a dehumidifier. It's naturally a white noise machine, or it naturally causes nosebleeds if you run it with the heater on in the winter, or it's naturally able to be used as a filtration system when you use it with the proper Merv-rated HEPA filter.
Calling an air conditioner a "natural dehumidifier" makes it sound like its purpose is cooling and it just so happens to condense and sink away moisture, but it literally does that by design. Refusing to acknowledge that diminishes the effort, science, and engineering that went into inventing it as an appliance. Hand-waiving that away removes people's ability to intuitively understand things like sweating (a thing that naturallycools you off) or wet-bulb temperature, which when factoring in global warming means that sweating could eventually not cool you down naturally.
Toilet paper isn't naturally absorbent, it is designed to be that; paper towel designs don't naturally prevent layers from sticking together, they are designed specifically for that reason; hard candies aren't naturally sweet, they're designed that way. Differentiating is important to demystify rather than confuse the topic.
It’s not a “natural humidifier” why are you clumping those two words into a singular item?
Also…
There’s your own TIL, you can make a post now! You really are intentionally obtuse, you literally explained how an ac naturally dehumidifies that air, but dance around using the proper term since you’ve got it in your head that it was misused, even so far as to ignore a dictionary definition.
Edit, here’s another
Nothing to do with nature or anything else, but bloviate dude.
And here’s professionals using the term.
Here’s why this happens: Your AC acts as a natural dehumidifier. During the air cooling process, moisture is collected from the air, condensed on coils, and then drained away.
How many more examples do you need? I can go and find a special example for each of your asinine claims here.
I don't think I called it a "natural humidifier" anywhere. I called it a "natural dehumidifier," the same as you did in your original comment.
The definition and example you've chosen addresses an expected reaction. An air conditioner is a dehumidifier. In your chosen example given in that definition on dictionary.com, your original comment would be more akin to saying, "When the fist landed forcefully on his face, it was natural that he was punched in the face."
I want to either take responsibility for or deny whatever it is you're saying here, but I'm not sure what you're saying. This isn't me trying to throw in a burn by personally attacking you and saying that you don't know how to communicate. I think I'm just confused by the wording. There are probably millions of other people to whom this makes sense, but I'm probably misreading what you wrote. I believe you're saying that I'm explaining that an ac "naturally" dehumidifies the air, but I'm avoiding using the word "naturally" because I believe that your use of "naturally" was improper, so much so that I'm willing to ignore the definition of the word naturally. But I don't want to misconstrue your words because any argument I'd make would be about using a word to define that same word, which doesn't progress our discourse.
"Without special help or intervention" with the example of "naturally curly hair" is literally describing part of nature: the way that hair grows. If someone wore a curly wig, I don't think that they'd tell you they have naturally curly hair. When you say that an air conditioner is naturally a humidifier, it sounds the same to me as someone saying that a lever naturally can be used for leverage—yes, that's why it's called what it is, because it does what it does. Is an automobile naturally a cart that moves without a horse pushing or pulling it? No, that's literally what it is. That's why it's called an automobile. An air conditioner is called that because it itself is a dehumidifier. It's not "naturally" a dehumidifier, it was designed to be a dehumidifier. The argument you're trying to make is the same as Futurama’s joke about Wireless Joe and Pitch-o-mat 5000 being literal versus figurative blernsball machines.
What a thought-terminating argument. Nothing to do with nature or anything else! Are you arguing that your words mean what you intended because you said them? Slow down there, Veruca Salts.
I don't know why you're trying to turn this argument personal, but very well. That's a good one dollar word! And you used this one correctly, way to go! If you wanted to sound fancy in the first place and the correct word, "literally," seemed too pedestrian, you could instead substitute "ipso facto." Since an ac, by the fact of being an air conditioner is itself a dehumidifier.
I normally try not to be so challenging about people misusing words, but you're just stubborn and self-righteous enough to remind me of my father and that's gotten under my skin.
Anyway, it's obvious that neither of us is a linguist not enough of an expert to split hairs like this, since we can't agree on the meaning of definitions of words. If anyone with some knowledge wants to weigh in and tell me I'm being pedantic, I'll begrudgingly eat crow.