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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thats the thing, im past the stupid naming and everything. I just want policies that help people and not billionaires. Call it marxism, stalinism, whatever the fuck you want.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a pathetic attempt to rile the old people who remember the cold war propaganda against communism and socialism. While young people are like "So what?"

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I have a 20-something son who basically grew up with MAGA shitting on everything. From his perspective ( and his friends), they don't see anything wrong with trying out Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism. They feel like the current system of "Democratic Capitalism" has led to the rise of vicious MAGA Nazis, and weak Democratic defenders of our Nation, with the majority of Americans suffering to some degree, so why are we fighting so hard to preserve it?

When we emerge from the other side of this, don't expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When we emerge from the other side of this, don't expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.

One can only hope so. What we had before wasn't great either and pretty much lead to how things are now.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

Exactly. In a way, we agree with MAGA, it's time for a change. They took the initiative, and turned the country in their direction, which is evil, by any definition.

The Establishment Democrats were asleep at the wheel while this played out over 40 years, despite many warnings and steady escalations. Now, we have arrived at their Promised Land, and it is as ugly as they promised, and as a student of history, I promise you it WILL get a lot uglier, likely far beyond any of our imaginations.

We can't return to the Status Quo, because that WAS the problem. We need to create a new Paradigm, one that will not be afraid to ferociously defend Liberty from Traitors, Crooks, and worse.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah sadly that doesnt work here in eastern europe because communism and even social democratism(what this actually is) is associated with the ussr which was a truly horrible regime.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Eastern Europeans are some of the most gullible people on earth. Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his "state socialist" empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.

I understand that's the power of propaganda, but damn... It's been 40 years and most of them never bothered to sit down and learn what a communism is. I can't imagine being that willfully ignorant.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

can't imagine being that willfully ignorant.

I have some trump supporting neighbors I'd like to introduce you to.

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.

He did claim to be communist though - as in, he is ideologically driven to attempt to bring about communism. So calling the USSR "communist" is 100% correct. And naturally, what do you call life under communists? Communism! (This is wrong, but it's an understandable switch-up).

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well, that's where I have to disagree with Stalin's official narrative. I don't think he was a communist, I think he was an opportunist with no ideology beyond personal empowerment. I think he'd have said he believed in anything if it gave him more power.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

To elaborate on the evidence for this:

Marx said after the workers seize the state, it should become unnecessary and wither away. Stalin was the primary person in charge of overseeing this process. He should have been encouraging the development of community governance. Helping set up neighbourhood watches so he could defund the police. Granting power over workplaces to the trade unions. Encouraging the gift economy to grow to the point that the ruble could be cancelled. These were always the steps in the plan to get from the USSR to a communist system.

Stalin didn't want to do that, because it would have made him less powerful. Instead of defunding the police, he expanded their powers. Instead of empowering the trade unions, he put down workers' revolts. This is the opposite of communism.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Sounds a lot like trump

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'm surprised it's not more associated with France since social democracy is what the have going on.