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Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality (www.reuters.com)

submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality::Tesla Inc is set to defend itself for the first time at trial against allegations that failure of its Autopilot driver assistant feature led to death, in what will likely be a major test of Chief Executive Elon Musk's assertions about the technology.

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[–] decerian@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Those stats are misleading though. Autopilot only runs on highways, which are much safer per mile even for human drivers.

Tesla are basically comparing their system, which only runs in pristine, ideal conditions, against an average human that has to deal with the real world.

As far as I'm aware they haven't released safety per mile data from the FSD cars yet, and until they do I will remain skeptical about how much safer it currently is.

[–] Asifall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It actually would be really hard to get an unbiased estimate of safety given the current systems, because the data is inherently cherry picked by drivers who can switch the feature on/off depending on how complex the driving task is. What a simple number like crashes per mile really measures is really how likely FSD drivers are to overestimate the system’s ability plus some unknown base rate of unavoidable accidents.

Probably the only way to control for this is looking at cars that are fully autonomous door to door and aren’t limited to pre-selected roads/areas. I don’t know that anyone is even doing that sort of testing.

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't auto pilot kinda work on normal roads now? Not saying I trust the stat either.

[–] ephemeral_gibbon@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

That'd be the fsd stats, not autopilot

[–] tmRgwnM9b87eJUPq@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Hmm you’re right about autopilot mainly being used on highways and those roads are a lot safer. I’ll edit my main comment

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to this report, the average Tesla equipped with FSD Beta, driven on predominantly non-highway sections of road, crashes 0.31 times per million miles, a dramatic decrease from the average American, who crashes 1.53 times every million miles.

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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does that report from Tesla include when autopilot turns off shortly before crashing into something?

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago

That's literally the only data we have so that's what I'm basing my opinion to while being fully aware that while I doubt that these stats lie they may however be misleading as statistics often are.

My key argument still stands; autopilot/FSD is not as bad/dangerous as people here make them to be and they're getting better all the time.

If one is going to make the claim that these systems are more dangerous than human driver then show me the data you're basing it on. People surely don't think that just because they don't like the company/CEO, right?