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Why do modern strategy games hate the grid? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by anakin78z@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world
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OK, I finally took the plunge on Baldur's Gate 3, and, coming from playing several hundreds of hours of Solasta recently, the first thing I noticed is the lack of a combat grid.

Going back a bit further, my son and I spent a ridiculous amount of time playing Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle. We were super pumped for the sequel, but when it finally came out, it kind of fell flat for both of us. Whether or not it's down to this, I don't know, but they also removed the grid.

That game, of course, was an XCom-like. XCom used a grid, but a more recent Firaxis game, Marvel's Midnight Suns, got rid of the grid as well.

To me, all these gridless iterations of classic strategy games just aren't as engaging. I guess they're going for a more immersive rpg type of feel? But to me it seems to sacrifice the strategy aspect, and ultimately, judging based on my hours played, that always ends up being too great a sacrifice. My play time on Marvel's Midnight Suns is less than 10% of Xcom 2, and the same is true for Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope.

I'm sure BG3 is a great game, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the campaign, but so far it's not giving me the 'feels'.

Do you miss grids? Or did they only slow you down?

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[–] ono@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I find grids helpful when I'm the game master, because they simplify the job of fairly resolving distance and AoE mechanics, and speed the game along. Also in big strategy games, because they allow me to plan ahead on a map with many (often stacked) units without unfair surprises.

I'm enjoying the gridless approach here, though. The computer handles the geometry crunching, there aren't too many actors for me to keep track of, and the freedom of movement lets me play with tactics that would be impossible on a grid.

Worth noting: I don't think D&D has ever required a grid, so it might be inaccurate to say this game has gotten rid of it.

[–] anakin78z@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fair enough. I started with 3.5 and the PHB does have a section on the battle grid, though of course it's never listed as a requirement, only an aid. I think there are certain times the grid really helps the strategy, both in tabletop and video game scenarios. Something as simple as 'I want to block this doorway'. With the grid, it's very obvious which squares need to be occupied. With a GM at the table I suppose you could just say 'I block the doorway'. But, at least so far, every time I've tried to block a doorway in BG3 (limited play time, granted), they've just moved right past me, making me look rather foolish, and usually leading to my early demise.

[–] ono@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I haven't seen that yet. I wonder if the game is internally using 5e's tumble or overrun actions. (DMG page 272)

[–] Sol0WingPixy@ttrpg.network 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t think so - I’ve been playing since early access and you can block doors, it just usually takes 2 people to do so.

Putting Jump on a bonus action basically fills the role of tumbling through enemy (and ally) spaces.

[–] anakin78z@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I've played more BG3 now, and maybe I'm an idiot, but I can't figure out how to block anything. E.g. I'll stand at the top of a ladder to block enemies from climbing up, but they'll happily climb up and walk right through me. Or standing on a narrow beam, and somehow they go to stand next to me on the narrow side to push me off? What am I missing? How are you able to block any space?