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I was around when reddit first started. There were Nazis. It seemed fine, because Nazis were useless idiots, and people told them to go fuck themselves.
Reddit in 2016 actively helped install a fascist who eventually tried to overthrow American democracy.
Reddit now is a place where "fuck off, Nazi" is punished more reliably and more harshly than being a goddamn Nazi.
This service feels familiar - but not for the reasons I'd like. The fools in charge of every popular instance think scolding "be polite!" and punishing rudeness instead of trolling are a force multiplier for trolls. If you can just keep saying dumb shit until someone says a no-no word - they get the boot, and you win.
I want a forum where "here is why you're an asshole" is moderated based on whether the explanation is correct.
I actually got told by Reddit Staff that they'd contact law enforcement if I made anymore references to "punching Nazis", then they banned me for "Report Abuse"
They never did a damn thing about the trolls who kept flagging any post referencing me being trans or anything positive about transpeople as "Suicidal" or "Promoting Self-Harm"
Got those "A redditor has asked us to reach out to you concerning...." all fucking day.
The worst sin of reddit mods was demanding "report and move on!" and then never doing anything about reports. Or scolding you for messaging the subreddit instead of using the report button.
Either do the fucking work or let people talk.
The worst part of that is they started banning people for "Report Abuse" even though I checked, "Report Abuse" is not even mentioned in the TOS.
How the fuck, are you gonna tell me to "Report and move on", if you ban me for reporting.
Incidentally, guess why I had to stop using Reddit....
They banned me for very obviously joking that someone else should punch the fascist attorney general of Indiana in the face and it was some sort of punny reply based on something he said. They only reinstated me because a bunch of mods from multiple subreddits took my side.
They ban for "won't someone rid me of this turbulent priest" comments apparently.
You understand that idiom, but not 'go on, make my day?' Even when it's patiently explained to you?
What?
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2673505
You didn't say "go on, make my day" there. That's a lie. That phrase doesn't even appear. What a bizarre thing to lie about when anyone can just look.
It's in semiquotes because it's paraphrasing. Jesus. This level of rigid demand makes sense if you're on the spectrum or ESL or something - otherwise, what the fuck?
I said 'Go on, tell me this one's synecdoche.' (Again: paraphrasing.) You said 'It is synecdoche, though.' I said 'Correct. They both are.' And then you started litigating like I'd insulted you, or contradicted myself. Even when I directly paraphrased what you wrote, to agree with it.
You missed a common idiom - had it laid out for you in detail - repeatedly took offense over nothing - and I'm guessing reported it. So I'm a little surprised to see you elsewhere in my replies, frustrated at overzealous moderation, when it's your indirect implications in question.
You're wrong about those too, by the way. "Turbulent priest" comments are a call to violence. That line was prototypical stochastic terrorism. Not directly saying "kill that prick" - but clearly communicating that you'd like that prick killed. Even in the twelfth century people recognized this was a flimsy excuse.
You're really worked up about this, but you might notice that the moderator also didn't understand your "common idiom" and told you to explain yourself or shut up. Funny how you left that part out.
I did explain myself. That's why I'm asking: what the fuck?
What was I supposed to do differently, here? What on Earth did you expect? Is there any sequence of words where you'd go, 'oh, sure, I get it?'
For god's sake, I didn't leave it out, it's why I said I assume you reported it. It's the whole reason we're having this conversation. You don't get to leave these short-ass replies and pretend proper discourse requires all possible details to be covered.
I don't expect anything. You're the one attacking me for not supposedly not knowing a phrase which you then said wasn't the phrase I didn't know. Much like in the other thread, you're not making much sense, but you are needlessly aggressive. I have very little patience left for it and will block you if it continues.
It's not an attack. It's the explanation you asked for!
What else could you want?
Again, I don't want anything. You're the one who attacked me.
I also didn't ask for an explanation.
It's still not an attack. If you just keep assuming everything someone says to you is a personal affront, nothing they say matters. The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer. You'll just twist it all into veiled insults.
Even when - as in that linked thread - you fucking plainly expressed confusion, and had it politely dispelled.
You maintained your initial conclusion in spite of that. I am now asking: what the fuck was I supposed to say, instead? What did you want out of that interaction? Was there any combination of words in the English language, that would have satisfied you, or does any reply get labeled as "bitching?"
Sure. This isn't an attack. Totally not insulting.
It was calling me stupid about something that had nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
Maybe you need to work on your interpersonal skills if you think that isn't an attack.
Stupid is an essentialist insult. I'm describing behavior. Not knowing something is fine. Being offended by the explanation is baffling.
You demonstrably expected an explanation for what I said. Which I gave. And that somehow made you act even more hostile and defensive.
Third time: what else am I supposed to say?
If there is some way to deal with this, that you would not consider degrading - what is it?
if there is no way someone can question your comments, that you wouldn't consider a personal insult - how would anyone communicate with you?
Deal with what? You're the only one here who gives a shit about this.
Says user incensed by an alleged attack.
You don't know what you want.
Please quote me being 'incensed' and explain how you could figure out my emotional state from text. This should be interesting.
I couldn't prove the sky is blue, if you're going to be hostile to any text under my username.
You are complaining about me insulting you. Which never happened. Substitute whatever summary of that is dry enough; that is the problem and I am asking you what else you wanted.
Jesus Christ, take yes for an answer.
Waiting for that quote.
No, you aren't. That's the problem. You could just hit Show Context a few times, and see what I'm talking about, where you scoffed at the suggestion I hadn't insulted you. Or you could remember when you wrote that, like, an hour ago. But you're making extremely specific demands as if the exact word I used must be the exact word you used, or else I'm completely wrong about everything.
How dare I say you say I said a thing, just because that's plainly what happened.
More to the point - how dare I project any sort of internal state onto you, in this discussion of how you have done exactly that to me.
I am telling you there was no insult in answering your comments directly and accurately. You cannot believe that. And that inability is somehow my fault. Aaand asking how I could do better is just further insult, and also my fault.
The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.
I guess you lied when you said I was incensed. I wonder why you lied?
This is now weak trolling.
Insulting me won't make a lie true. Sorry. If you didn't lie, you can quote me. But I'm pretty sure you lied.
'You are not being intellectually honest.'
'When did I say that?'
'Incorrect.'
Again, because I can't trust you to recognize the concept: paraphrasing.
Nope. You said I was incensed. But you had no evidence to that effect. It was a lie. That's okay, lots of people lie.
Like you saying I insulted you?
Trying to change the subject will not make your lie true either, sorry.
It's the root subject. It's the thing you were so not-incensed about.
That's great, but I'm really only interested in talking about your lie. You're welcome to explain why you lied if you ever admit to it. I'll be interested in that. Otherwise, I'm just going to continue to mostly ignore anything else you have to say. Especially the long posts. Not going to read those at all. Not when they could be lies too.
Hypocrisy, then. Grand.
Worthless.
That's not about your lie.
Right, because you're the protagonist of reality. Your lies don't count. Even if they're to a mod.
But someone saying you were offended by an imaginary insult, well, stop the presses.
Didn't read that. In fact, I'm just not planning on reading anything else from you and will respond to all future posts with the word 'strawberry.' That should amuse me.
Oh, I got that once. What's the idea, I don't get it ?
Same here, I read it was supposed to be a way of trolling, didn't get the intention for my situation, but was just so fucking stupid anyway
There's a negative stereotype that Transpeople kill themselves all the time, studies have shown this number to be dropping and the suicides to be caused by abuse from others and denial of transition related care.
The Far Right ignores this and goes "Lol transpeople kill themselves because transpeople dumb"
So it became a thing to report anyone Trans on Reddit, for "Suicidal Behavior", which Reddit never looks into the validity of, they just send you a bunch of suicide hotline links... which is well intended, but there really should be a mechanism in place to find out if they're trolling.
Eventually when it became common knowledge that it's so exploitable it became a more in general method of griefing others.
I got an account banned from Reddit for saying "the only good nazi is a dead nazi" and frankly I'm fine with being banned from any community that doesn't agree with that message.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
you can install a fascist?
can you uninstall one too or?
I feel like political discourse didn't start on Reddit until after subreddits were added
Haha, no. There's a reason /r/Atheism was one of the default subs. All that Ron Paul didn't come out of nowhere.
They say Atheism is to having a religion in the same way that not having a car is the same as having a car.
The same cannot be said of r/Atheism, the most dogmatic place on the whole fucking internet.
Indeed.
Big '/r/Politics is just like /r/Conservative!!!' energy.
Shut.