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One of my biggest complaints about TLJ was how poor the plot was. It's surprising because Rian Johnson has some of the best thought out plots in his other movies.
The slow speed chase didn't make sense, the ~~empire~~ first order could see they were heading to a planet. Finn and Rose had time to leave, go to another planet and come back without issue, why weren't they scattering parts of the fleet and people the whole time?
Worst, the entirety of the movie didn't move the plot forward. At the end of TFA Rey is a nascent Jedi searching for a place to fit in, Kylo is struggling with his path trying, Finn is trying to fit in and Poe is a hotshot pilot. At the end of TLJ no character advanced, they are all in the same spot.
I would have preferred if they did some really weird stuff, like Rey becomes Kylo's student to save everyone else. Will she redeem him or be corrupted? Will she be a double agent? What exactly are the goals of the first order? Can they be subverted into something good?
After TLJ I didn't care what was going to happen to anyone, and still don't.
The pacing was also a nightmare. Everything at the casino took up far, far too much screen time and just dragged.
Agreed. The whole thing was just a waste. It felt like they were trying to create a desperate situation similar to the Empire Strikes Back, but to do so they made the Resistance have the worst planning and resources and strategy. They made the plucky heroes stupid in order to make the stakes higher. It only built on the unbelievability of the setup for TFA that after the fall of the Empire, the New Republic would just give up any memory of having very recently recovered from galactic fascism and immediately become weak and useless.
The slow speed chase and multiple ships just getting picked off felt like a horror movie where characters are getting picked off by the serial killer over the course of a few hours instead of an adventure movie you want to rewatch.