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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't imagine a future without solar, wind, and nuclear power.

not unless we find out we are wrong about thermodynamics.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't need to imagine a future without nuclear in the mix - there are plenty of places doing fine with renewables and without coal or nuclear right now.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zik@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For example South Australia - no coal since 2016, no nuclear ever, runs mostly on a mix of renewables - solar and wind with batteries and transient gas for in-fill.

Edit: thanks to whoever downvoted my verified statement of fact (see below)

[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So I looked in the document and it agrees with my point. The most recent stats for South Australia are 8977 GWh of renewable energy and 5717 GWh non-renewable gas energy. You'll note the gas use is dropping pretty rapidly as they put more renewables on.

[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok, so from your point of view 40% fossil fuels is still doing fine? I interpreted your original comment to mean they were doing 100% or close to it in renewables. Then I misunderstood.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's just a temporary measure while we transition to 100% renewables. You can see from the numbers that it's dropping year by year as new renewables are brought on.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] zik@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird argument. "It's a place bigger than a bunch of EU countries put together but it's not a country so I'm going to use other places that aren't South Australia to counter your point which was about South Australia"

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

lol im not playing this shell game.

[–] freecandy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wind and Solar are "renewable" to a certain scale. If you dump gigantic wind farm in the middle of a jet stream, for example, you can impact downstream climate cycles.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that's why we could be aware of all the externalities.

solar could be deployed on the ocean but that will certainly lower sea temperatures.

let's terraform intentionally rather than just accidentally.