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I've seen the video i have worked on farms it doesnt bother me terribly
The videos made me want stricter regulation, it didn't make me want to go vegan or cut down on meat.
But there are other reasons to be a little more conservative with meat in my diet.
The alternatives of Seitan and tofu are healthier, cheaper and available. Not the heavily processed kind, just the basic ones, are definitely healthier than meat. I try to replace meat regularly by those... especially Seitan can be quite good, it has a good 'bite' to it
I am of two minds on the topic. I am sitting here realizing that lab-grown meat and the meat-like alternatives are all, by definition, processed foods. Like, lab-grown meat is just going to end up being beef-like-Velveeta at the end of the day.
If you look into the history of processed foods and why we moved towards them they have some pretty disastrous consequences for our modern life.
I find it hard to understand the disconnect you must experience.
Its human nature to dissociate. You have different moral meters for different situations. I still think its important that these animals live and die in a comfortable environment but banning meat is not a solution.
I think it's important to be aware of the process of everything we consume, that way we can influence the impact our habits have.
I watched some pretty terrible films. Watching those did make me cut down on meat and milk, and it made me try to source my animal products from more ethical sources. I still haven't been able to make the full commitment to veganism or vegetarianism, though, unfortunately.
That being said, I do wish these kinda of films were shown in schools. It would make most people more conscious of the cruelty and harm caused by these industries, and maybe there would be more push to move to more ethical ways of doing things in the meat and dairy industries.
ethical rape. ethical murder. ethical looking the other way.
I spent years chasing my tail trying to be an "ethical" consumer of intelligent creatures. Each time realizing, fuck, I've been lying to myself, complicit in my own brainwashing. There's no such thing as the ethical consumption of intelligent creatures.
This is fair. You are right. I am not claiming that my way of eating is ethical as it stands at all. I am in the camp of wanting lab grown meat to be widely available and cheap. That is ethical if done right. I already eat meat substitutes, but my finances are not great and sometimes it's hard to beat the cost effectiveness/nutritional value of regular ground beef or eggs and bacon. In those cases I at least try to buy the least tortured meat I can afford, if you get what I am saying. I do appreciate that there are empathetic people like you in the world.
This is the attitude that makes people turn away and ignore the entire issue. The fact of the matter is that people don't care about animals and they think this viewpoint is absurd. You have to give them arguments that are self-serving, because they will never equate "ethical meat" with "ethical murder".
What's rule 2? Hell, what's RULE 1?!
I'm not here, in the fucking VEGAN community forum, to hold the hand of fucking animal abusers. So sorry.
The animals we create are morally equivalent to our own children. They are owed the unconditional love and protection of their creators.