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A warning and a perspective from an insider who has been through this before.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Fediverse is bound to come to the attention of big corporations, and if it becomes big enough they will view it as competition and try to crush it. I doubt it can outcompete them in terms of popularity. The best hope has to be coexistence, in which the Fediverse doesn't try to win the most users, but defends its integrity against large corporations entering the space to sabotage it.

The comparison with XMPP may not be conclusive: XMPP is purely a communication protocol, so if not many people use it, not many people can be reached through it and it becomes less useful. Something like Lemmy, by contrast, is not intended to get you in touch with everyone in the world. It can function as long as it has enough users to make it interesting, enough money to pay for servers (so easy ways for users to fund it), and enough skilled developers willing to work on it. It doesn't need huge numbers of users, and it doesn't need to outcompete Reddit or any other corporate platform.

I hope Lemmy can equip itself with good tools for managing trolls and other kinds of attack, including corporate-led sabotage, because those things are likely to come soon. There has been an explosion in bot accounts recently, which are ominously dormant for the time being. If those all get switched on at once, there will be a huge amount of noise and a big increase in traffic. Lemmy needs to prioritize equipping itself to withstand this.

But if Meta enters the space and siphons off a bunch of users, there's no reason the rest of us can't continue here as before, without it. It may be a relatively small community but it can still function.

[-] Niello@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the best outcome is for Fediverse to succeed at proving the model is better for users than mega corps. Then grow and last long enough until the EU takes notice, such that if any bad actors try to ruin it they'd want to protect it. We're probably talking far into the future, but I think if handled well it can get to that point.

[-] lovesyouandhugsyou@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t assume the EU would necessarily be interested in protecting the Fediverse. Legislation like the GDPR is very much oriented towards working with corporate entities and the open Fediverse model is generally at odds with the right to be forgotten (since it’s effectively impossible to ensure all copies of a user’s data are deleted - I don’t even think it’s possible to determine which nodes may have a copy of a year old post).

[-] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The right to be forgotten can be argued as being even stronger in the fediverse.

Yes, you can't delete the content that you created, but you can delete the account associated with them, edit them, etc. with far more control than any corporate system gives you.

No there isn't a button to just "delete all things related to me" as some people want, but that wasn't what the right to be forgotten was about.

People knew the technical limitations of it from the start, the problem was that when users would take actions they thought deleted their content, private code would very much not delete it.

There is no such illusion here on the fediverse

[-] Nerd02@forum.basedcount.com 1 points 1 year ago

Couldn't the protocol be updated to be more compliant with the right to be forgotten? Something like, when a user deletes a comment it gets deleted from the DB of every federated instance. Sure enough, admins might have made backups and that would theoretically go against the GDPR but still... you can only apply these laws to a certain extent. It's the same as you posting a picture on Facebook, me downloading it and you deleting it afterwards. Even if you were to make a GDPR request to Meta you still couldn't get the picture on my PC. But that's not Meta's fault, they can't do much about that.

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