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[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problematic aspect of eugenics is sterilizing or killing people deemed inferior, people modifying their own children has none of the same issues.

[–] bulbasaur@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's really incorrect. I hate that this episode is spurring eugenics apologia like this

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is correct actually. Make an counterargument if you can, but as I've been saying, there really isn't one beyond trying to smear something reasonable like enhancing children with the brush of something bad like forced sterilizations by lumping them under the same "eugenics" label.

[–] Mezentine@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What you think "enhancement" means now is very different from what people might have said "enhancement" meant in the 60s which is very different from what they thought "enhancement" would have been in the 20s and is very different from what we might think it means in the 2050s. Homosexuality used to be a mental disorder, and it would have been an enhancement to "cure" it. There would have even been gay people who would have voluntarily taken that cure because of the distress society subjected them to, there are records of patients coming to medical professionals looking for treatment. I like the alternate solution to that problem we're currently making progress towards, in which we accept and support that there are diverse ways for people to exist, and I do not trust that we have correctly figured out what things about human being are currently "wrong" and which things can be "improved"

[–] bulbasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The idea that you can modify someone's genes to "enhance" them is bog standard "positive" eugenics. It's literally the definition of eugenics and it's upsetting to me that you are treating this like a debate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127045/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41434-019-0088-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_eugenics

New eugenics [...] advocates enhancing human characteristics and capacities through the use of reproductive technology and human genetic engineering.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can see that you're just doing what I described and making an argument solely based on "eugenics" being a broad term that includes evil things right? What is the concern you have about letting parents modify their unborn child's genes, besides the fact that it could ungenerously be described as eugenics?

[–] bulbasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's literally eugenics. There's nothing ungenerous about calling it what it is.

If you don't see the issue with genetically modifying children without their consent to "enhance" them or make them racially "superior" then I can't help you.