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Is there a base car market in Europe at the moment, electric or otherwise? Is there even a need for one? I was able to live comfortably for ten years here without a car. When circumstances changed and I had to buy one this year, I was shocked by the prices. There really isn't an entry level affordable market segment anymore. I don't think there is any car designed for people entering the workforce or young professionals in lower paying jobs.
I remember buying my first car in early 2000s as a young professional. There really was a lot of choice. Not good choices necessarily (yes, I mean you, Clio), but choices.
Edit: hah! I just checked prices for clios where I live. A new one would set you back 26,000 EUR. The average income around here is 47,000/year before tax...
The real base markets are the second hands/occasions. Don’t let the bmw ceo fool you.
The sh market in my area was made completely crazy by the supply chain issues over the past few years. When I looked into it at the end of 2022, ah cars of 3-4 years were more expensive than the new ones. I could afford to wait 10 months for a new car so that's what I went with, but had I needed a car quickly, I'd have had to part with serious cash.
It is, but that's harder if you don't want to throw co2 out the back end
The base car being the lowest tier? There is absolutely a demand for them but production has slowed to allow for increased profits, now the margins are bigger and they don't want to deliver to the masses because it will eat into their margins if they produce more. They have limited choice and spec and are having s great time, we need china to come into the space and make it competitive.
That's what I was saying too. The market has vanished because there is no supply
'Jahreswagen' is the true base.
New car driven by employees, low miles, sold second hand by the manufacturer. Some have very low mileage, but still the price is significantly cheaper. It's an open secret that it's nothing more than a way to offer price differentiation.
That and dacia.
I don't have a car, all I would use it for is road trips, moving house, transporting family. All that can be done with renting/taxi. That said...some places have no public transit, people will still buy cars and it is a key EU industry, so it's still something to worry about