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Y’all calling hexbear tankies is proof that word don’t mean anything anymore 🤷🏿♂️
They are unironically Marxist-Leninists and actively chase away democratic socialists, and say things like "nuking American is based."
I'm not sure what else you want.
None of these commie-subtypes mean anything lmao
They are all fascists who pretend social democracy doesnt exist
Communists are very aware that social democracy exists. Social democracy very famously split out of socialist thought. Originally social democracy was another term for socialism.
Communists take issue with the very real fact that social democracy preserves capitalism and thus the exploitation that comes with it. Social democracy simply exports that exploitation. Without the subjugation of the global south, social democracy could not exist. Just because you have exported that exploitation doesn’t mean it went away.
The actual academic take on this is that capitalistic forces are inevitable in the presence of scarcity. We've already proven pretty conclusively that mass murder also doesn't end capitalism, and social democracy has arguably gotten much closer and is far more sustainable.
Capitalist forces absolutely are not inevitable with scarcity. Native Americans lived in societies that have been described as primitive communism. Did they not have scarcity?
Further, mass murder is not a prerequisite for communism.
Native Americans made war with each other. It wasn’t an idea that was introduced to them by colonizers.
And Native Americans were at near constant war with each other prior to European settlement. No competition at all eyeroll
Never said they weren't. Said they pretended it doesn't exist since SocDem provably fixes everything they claim communism does, but it just isn't fascist enough for them.
Where we're going we don't need to cite our sources! Though admittedly this is better than the one guy who told me social democracy exists because USA spends money on their military. Dude was just as clueless as you'd think a communist is haha fucking funny lads you fascists.
Social democracy does not fix every problem communism claims to because it preserves capitalism. Social democracy, but without capitalism is no longer social democracy. That is socialism. Believe it or not, communists are pro-socialism.
All of the Scandinavian social democracies that are supposedly the gold standard are former colonial powers. Colonial powers extract wealth from their colonies to the detriment of the indigenous inhabitants of the colony. This is referred to as primitive accumulation and is a direct precursor to capitalism. These nations built their wealth through colonialism and continue to maintain wealth through neocolonialism. This is really only unheard of or controversial if you have your head in the ground. Look up the WTO and the IMF and how they fuck over the global south at the benefit of wealthy nations if you’re interested in more information (spoilers: you’re not)
Where are your sources that all communists are fascists? Are the communists in the Philippines fighting their fascist government also fascists? What about in India? The list goes on. You’ll find that neither of these groups of communists are particularly fond of China by the way.
Dude read too much into finno-korean hyperwar.
Bailing out countries that fuck themselves over with communist policies is now fault of the helper. Alright next time the west should just let them starve :)
Reality. It's this weird fringe thing you've delusioned yourself out of
Yep
Yepparino
Lmao communists aren't fond of other type of communists, what a revelation. My country of Finland has at least 5 different communist parties, each with like 10 total members and they hate each other more than they hate the ruling pro-NATO parties.
God I live for redfash attempts at argumentation, the nazi ones get really stale after a while.
You really are not as informed on communist thought as you think you are. Nor are you very informed on the very real problems with the IMF or WTO saying that these organizations save countries from “communist policies” is so hysterically wrong that I can’t believe it’s an actual thought that someone had. This discussion clearly isn’t going anywhere because it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall. Have a nice life.
Man I just want the Finnish colonial empire back
And to bomb ser*ia for good measure
right? It's literally a pan leftist instance, there's anarchist comms and everything. The thing that people are afraid of when they call people tankies isn't any particular ideology, it's just a fear of confident and firm left wing ideology of any sort. In order to not be a tankie, you have to be compromising and undedicated in your left wing beliefs, that's it, that's the criteria.