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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 223 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm under no illusions that Linux is a viable alternative for everyone, but if you're just using your computer as a web terminal and light gaming system, a decent Linux system + Steam makes for a very usable option these days.

I have exactly one computer in my house that has Windows on it. It was provided by my employer, and I turn it on maybe once every two weeks or so, for special-purpose activities that can't be done on my Linux laptop. And most of the time, for most activities my Linux laptop is the clearly superior performer - it's not even close, despite their similar hardware specs.

I don't think everyone should - or can - switch. But if you've got an old beater laptop gathering dust, try popping Ubuntu or something on it, see how it performs. See if it's something you could legitimately switch to full or part time.

[-] FatTony@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is Linux still a good option for gaming if one were to not purchase games?

[-] e-ratic@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, you can either add the game as a non-steam game and force proton, or use Lutris or Bottles (with proton or other WINE runner). For repacks with installers, you can launch the setup.exe with Lutris or Bottles (install the game to 'fake' drive_c and move it), just make sure you include dependencies that require it (usually .net framework).

Source: most of my steam library on my steam deck is plundered loot

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are also repackers like jc141 e LinuxRulez that also manage the dependencies and prefix for you. LinuxRulez also gives you appropriate Wine versions if needed

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[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 22 points 1 year ago

Linux is paradise when it comes to emulation 🎮

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Lutris is good for that. It can be confusing at first if you don’t know how Wine works, but it’s very easy to use and doesn’t require Steam.

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[-] reflex@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

not purchase games?

😏

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, Steam doesn’t do anything

You can just as easily use Wine/Proton as your runner as you can set up Steam to use Wine/Proton as your runner

[-] beatle@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Not true, steam makes it incredibly easy. Install steam, tick compatibility option, install, click green play button.

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[-] nicman24@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago
[-] Zpiritual@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Sure. I've run several modern ... repurposed... games and it usually works through lutris.

[-] L_Acacia@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, but it will take some learning time

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

I'm a gamer. I've used Windows since the 95 days. I'm done with Microsoft. I was not happy with Windows 10 and the bullshit they introduced but there is no way in hell I'm signing up for Win11.

Steam has made a lot of progress with Proton. My next computer will be Linux-based.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

It's getting pretty easy to ditch Windows these days. Microsoft got too greedy and desperate, and actually using the damn platform they built is getting harder and harder, especially if you don't want the nagging and annoyances that come from them trying to turn your computer into their subscription revenue stream. My impression is that Valve is aware of the problem, and wants to make sure that their store works regardless of which operating system you prefer.

[-] Qvest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Valve is and was aware of this problem even back then. I don't have a reliable source on this but from what I remember it all started when Microsoft begun pushing the Microsoft Store.

Gabe Newell even said Linux is the future of gaming

And for this I have a source: https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-linux-and-open-source-are-the-future-of-gaming/

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You'll be just fine. So long as they fix the issues with anticheat software at some point. Gaming on linux is great these days in most cases though.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is so true. I have a gaming laptop with Linux on it and a steam deck. If it doesn't run on Linux, I don't buy it. The problem is that strategy isn't really saving me any money these days.

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

There's a real sense of relief whenever I close my (work) windows laptop and open my personal Pop_OS laptop... and then start up Baldur's Gate.

I've been primarily a Linux user for several years now and it seems like Windows is just getting worse and worse in terms of user experience. I fear the day that my company wants everyone to move to Win11.

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm just hoping 12 is better.. somehow.. and soon? I loathe 11.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Give me GOG Galaxy and Path of Exile on Linux and I would install it now. Last time I wanted to switch, I installed everything I needed, went to download GOG and remembered why I switch back last time. :(

[-] veloxization@yiffit.net 21 points 1 year ago

You don't need GOG Galaxy. I play my GOG games through Heroic Games Launcher on my Artix Linux system.

Path of Exile is rated Gold on ProtonDB and according to reports works out of the box through Steam Proton.

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[-] rootzreggae@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I haven't tried installing gog but I do play path of exile on Linux, with a controller. Flawless ( my distro off choice is nobara)

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[-] regalia@literature.cafe 10 points 1 year ago

If everyone swapped to Linux, how quickly do you think it'd be as viable as Windows?

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

The problem with Linux as a desktop is that all the money and investment goes into server use cases. There really aren’t many companies investing into the desktop. I think Valve might he the only big company with a major interest in it, but they’re mostly focusing on their own closed ecosystem. It’s the classic chicken and egg problem.

So if magically we see desktop usage go up, investment will go up, and we’ll see much more momentum.

Regarding viability though, I think that’s not going to be solved with more investment. The problem is the millions of people making trillions of documents in MS Office. Microsoft goes out of their way to make it extremely difficult for competitors to achieve 100% compatibility. Unless that changes through regulation or something (since it’s clearly anticompetitive), I don’t think the hypothetical linux desktop wave will survive very long.

Adobe, Autodesk, and a few others are also at fault for not supporting linux, but that’s a different issue. They’ll go where the money is, and if Linux usage goes up, they’ll have to support it or risk losing their strong market positions.

It’s all an annoying chicken and egg problem.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The problem is the millions of people making trillions of documents in MS Office. Microsoft goes out of their way to make it extremely difficult for competitors to achieve 100% compatibility.

Yep. I've worked with LibreOffice, it's not bad -- but it's not MS Office. Especially Excel, but even MS Word is better depending on your usage and how much you rely on things like VB macros. I'm in the process of trying out Linux distros to eventually move all of my machines over to Linux, but even then I fully expect to be running MS Office in a virtual machine on at least one of them.

Fortunately, I like the older versions of MS Office and I don't mind the extra setup, so it won't be a problem for me. But for anyone needing the latest iterations of MS Office, it's difficult to do on Linux from what I've seen so far, and maybe impossible for a total beginner without help.

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

How or why does Linux have a higher performance for you?

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 11 points 1 year ago

A lot of responses and none of them are false but the main reason for the improved gaming performance is DXVK, it translates DirectX 9 and 11 to Vulkan and is used by default on every DX9/DX11 game on Linux when you use Proton.

The Vulkan stack on modern GPUs is much more optimized compared to DX9 and 11. It has gotten so bad that many Windows people use DXVK on Windows to solve performance issues and even Intel uses DXVK (or similar technology) for their Arc GPUs.

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[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

not OP but similar situation. My Linux desktop is just more snappy, despite being 5 years old (and the work Win11 laptop brand new). I already have customized with my shortcuts and apps. I don't have to listen to the fan spinning up every time I open a new window (exaggerating a bit, but not much). Also I am not tied to work filters. If I want to read the news online for 5 minutes in a coffee break I don't risk being monitored and potentially evaluated. But really, I've been a Windows and Linux user for 20-odd years. I've always found that Linux installed on the same hardware of Windows is just smoother and faster. Windows is getting so much bloatware (from MS or enterprise apps) that it doesn't even have a fighting chance.

[-] Qvest@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

My comment isn’t really a viable argument but I’ve been thinking about how an advert for Linux would be:

“The top 500 supercomputers in the world run Linux, don’t you want to feel like having a supercomputer at home? Why wait? Get your Linux for free today!”

Not really to be taken seriously, but if you want a real argument and example:

My laptop is really laggy with windows 10, and it came preinstalled with it. Recently I tried dual-booting Linux and Windows, and Windows was simply too slow. I am so accustomed with Linux’s speed that I wiped Windows off it. Never again.

[-] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Memory management and file IO is far more efficient in Linux. So much so that I even got better performance in Windows running Debian in a VM for some very file-intensive stuff. And by better performance I mean a factor of about 10.

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[-] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most desktop environments are really efficient at what they do and minimize the background resources they take. Just checked my system and GNOME takes ~350MBs RAM (~700MB including gnome-software) and literally 0.0% CPU, it's insane. I looked up Windows 11 and it seems like it can use up to 4 GBs (!) of RAM all by itself.

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[-] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna ride out Windows 10 since I've got it behaving and I'm lazy. But if Windows 12 is just like Windows 11, or worse, I'm switching to Linux and figuring out how to get a vGPU VM up and running for when I have to run something on Windows for one reason or another. I messed with a vGPU in Hyper-V on Windows and was amazed by how seamless the performance was compared to other VM GPU acceleration options. I found a project to do something similar on Linux, so I'm gonna mess with that. If I can get it running as well as I've seen in some videos, I won't need a bare metal Windows install anymore.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You should probably just go ahead and switch now. It's not going to get any better, at least not over one iteration. Maybe Windows 14...

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[-] Mnmalst@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

@kescusay Just out of interest, what are the "special-purpose activities that can’t be done on my Linux laptop" if you don't mind sharing?

[-] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Running AAA games with kernel level anti-cheat (aka malware) would be an example.

Windows-exclusive software like some ERP client, specific hardware drivers etc. Also, there's no real alternative for Excel, unfortunately (LibreOffice isn't good enough).

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

For me, there are a few work-specific tasks that require our Windows-only VPN client in order to perform them. Fortunately, the bulk of my job isn't like that.

[-] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Ironically enough, some of the Linux certification exams only work on Windows and macOS.

[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

And you can put windows in a virtual machine for edge cases for most use cases. Use Linux for everything else.

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