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[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That is true but that does not answer the question. My opinion is that if you are pro peace you are automatically pro Russia, pro Ukraine or ideally both (I'm talking about the people and culture in it and not their leaders).

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Again, if peace means another war as soon as putler has recovered - versus defeating the asshole as hard as possible - then it is advantageous to putler. So, arguing for peace at the moment, is arguing for the attackers advantage.

Of course there will be peace. Once putler is defeated or preferably dead.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, Putin + Hitler = Putler. Took me a moment.

It's okay to be scared. It's okay to want the war to stop because you're scared. It's okay to want peace, but

arguing for peace at the moment, is arguing for the attackers advantage.

hits the nail on the head. Putin pulled the war Genie out of it's bottle and it won't go back in until his regime is defeated. It's okay to want peace and to fight for it, but to argue they need to negotiate now is either completely tone deaf or outright advocacy for Putin's regime.

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not arguing for Putin, I am arguing for the people in this war.

But yes I see your point. Maybe NATO could threaten with nuclear war if Russia ever attacks anything again, but that won't change the problem.

I think the only way to stop Putin is with a revolution inside of Russia.

Russia promised that they would be a democratic country but since Putin's "democratic" elections that promise was broken.

In my country we have a law inside the core of our basic lawbook that enables every institution and every human being living in the country to stop a dictatorship to arise by force because it is treated as self defense.

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It depends on the terms of that peace. If Russia wants peace, they can withdraw to their 1997 treaty borders. They can not be allowed to hold Ukraine land gained through conquest.