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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Even ignoring the square-cube law, it's just a really bad design. If you look at modern main battle tanks, they have been getting lower profile. This is for the simple fact that not being a massive target sticking up from the terrain is a really useful feature. Even then, they often use terrain to try and lower their visible profile further. Add to that all the complexity of making legs and arms work, and it's begging for a stealthier vehicle to drop the mech with a 105mm penetrator to the knee.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Patlabor addresses this somewhat. Bipedal mech started as a way to rapidly rebuild Tokyo after a massive earthquake. They became so ubiquitous, that regular people had access to them so between drunk/disgruntled construction workers and some bank robberies, Tokyo police had to add two divisions of "Patrol Labors" to deal with it. They're costly and annoying to everyone. The mech carriers are two lanes wide and no body likes giving them the right of way in traffic. After that, the companies making them diversified into military and meches have a limited roll depending on the terrain. Mostly swampy jungles with bad line of sights, so the legs are useful and the high profile a none issue. High end military models are very quiet compared to civilian models.

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah but the bipedal mech suits could crawl along to floor, given a really low profile. Tank can't do that. Checkmate.

/s

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to see a Raven crawling on the floor with a low profile.

A Dire Wolf would be quite something too.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Didn't the original tabletop BT rules allow for mechs to lie prone for better accuracy and defense? And mechs that didn't have arm actuators had a penalty to standing back up?

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 27 points 1 year ago

I think you are ignoring the very important fact that Gundams are dope.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

In game they introduced regular human sized battlesuits ("elementals"), they gimp mechs pretty much as bad as you're saying.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Let alone drones. If you don't install OP point defence on every mech, they will all be brought down by drones targetting the legs.

[–] DJKayDawg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

A taller mech has better reach. It helps when fighting with fists and swords. Checkmate!