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Over three-fourths of Americans think there should be a maximum age limit for elected officials, according to a CBS News/YouGov survey.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 136 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't understand why there aren't term limits across the board either. Some Congress wo/men have been there for decades ffs!

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Definitely. Age limits are difficult. Some people lose it early. Some never do.

Two terms and you're out seems to me to mostly resolve this.

You can even make it just two consecutive terms. I think I'm largely fine with that. At least it's better than the alternative.

Also, lifetime appointment. That was designed at a different time. Scotus should be a (reasonably long) single term. Then you're done with the federal judicial system.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, can't endorse this enough. Judicial appointments need a term limit, no matter the position. Maybe 10 years maximum.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

10 years is nice to because it wouldn't line up exactly with new presidents, so it would guarantee different parties would most likely get to pick.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In 1789, the average lifespan for a Supreme Court justice was 67 years. By 1975, that expectancy had risen to 82 years.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Sure, but how long were they on the court?

[–] Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just let agelimits apply to judges as well and make judges appoint judges while you're at it to minimize the politicizing of the bench.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looking at the way the current SCOTUS is, the last thing I'd want is Justices appointing their replacements.

[–] KIM_JONG@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They should be elected.

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[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yes! Term limits are the answer, not age limits. It’s effectively the same thing but protects us in two ways (instead of just one: ie age) and does so without the slippery slope that an age limit would entail.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago

If a pilot is forced to retire at 65 due to fear of killing a couple hundred, there is absolutely zero reason someone in charge near 400 million shouldn't have a maximum age cap

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the slippery slope that an age limit would entail.

Can you elaborate?

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He means that people have different rates of cognitive decline than others, so if you like this 70 year old politician and he's great, why not?

I think that's ridiculous. Term AND age limits would make much brighter futures. We should be electing officials that will have to live under the shade of the trees they planted, which is not the case for most US politicians today.

Yeah the slippery slope makes no sense. I get that there isn't a precise date to determine the start of cognitive decline, but why not just put an avery one as a limit in the law then? We do it for expiration dates as well.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there were age limits it should be well below the point of any cognitive decline, because it's also about having younger people in power who can think and plan on a scale of several decades, because that's how long they have left to live.

I'm thinking like 50.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem with setting the age limit too low is that people of that age range might not feel represented.

To give an example, I'm 48. One of my upcoming concerns is retirement. Will it be able to afford to retire? Will I need to work part time after "retiring" just to survive?

If every politician in a position of power was too young, retirement might not seem to them to be an important issue. After all, when you're 30, retirement seems forever away. They could enact policies that are great for people under 40 but devastating to people approaching retirement.

That's why, while I definitely think politicians like McConnell and Feinstein should have retired long ago, I'm leery about setting too low of a forced retirement age.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I'm 31 and I'm pretty fuckin concerned with retirement. Because if I'm not now, I'll probably never be able to.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, you do want people with experience there. Having a rotating door of only young people doesn't really help anything.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The door wouldn't be rotating anymore than it is now.

And what's your source on young people not helping anything? All the times in US history that we made the most progress were under young Democrat presidents.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't say young people don't help anything. I said having only new young people all the time doesn't help. Having people with experience is a good thing.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think JFK had no experience? He became president at 47. Did he "not help", as you put it?

Your claim is not only vague but has also been presented without any reasoning.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are you trying to argue? It was a general statement I made, I'm not presenting a case study.
Chill out, goddamn.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the statement you made doesn't have sound reasoning.

In other words, you're wrong.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because you're missing the point it doesn't mean the other person is wrong.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Ok let's hear the reasoning then.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

If we made this change, it would serve as a lever to help increase the age at which we can vote. Which is what these fuckers really want.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Considering a lower age limit would have to be put in place by existing politicians, that particular slope is not slippery at all. And slippery-slope arguments are categorically invalid except when you can point to a specific reason why doing something will make it likely to be done in excess.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There didn't used to be but after FDR hit 4 terms in a row, they passed the 22nd Amendment in 1947, it was ratified in 1951.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

A rare example where a Gentleman's Agreement that is important to how our government runs was actually codified.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think the idea in the Senate is that those people would have been seasoned bureaucrats who were intimately familiar with law - lawyers in particular. The House was more the everyday man representing the people of his district.

Now that we vote for senators, too, I'm not sure what role they really play. I'd also add that we need to remove the cap on headcount in the house. I did the napkin math once and we should have something like 2.5x the representatives we have now, IIRC.

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don't understand why the people who vote on various things won't vote against themselves?? I'm guessing it's the same reason why voting on pay raises for themselves always pass.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's easy to fix: exempt anyone in office at the time the bill passes.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That’s easy to fix: exempt anyone in office at the time the bill passes.

Don't think that'll work on its own, as they will want to protect the party that gives them their power from, for after they leave office.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)