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Yeah, I see the shitty part of reddit is moving here now, doing internet arguments again.
Conversation about hot topics is going to happen no matter what. As long as it stays respectful I think it's ok.
Many of them are not staying respectful though.
They have a fresh start on a new place, and they just choose to be miserable and brought the reddit over here.
Since a lot of the exodus was prompted by conflict, I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher proportion of folks here who speak conflict as a first language, at least for a while.
I kind of feel like without purposeful and diligent pruning, all online communities sink down to the lowest common denominator. That's hard to manage since a community is as much a vibe as it is conforming to a set of explicit rules. Personally I like the tildes.net code of conduct, since that's basically a similar philosophy.
That's a really solid take, but I'd say there's 3 practical types of conflict: discussion (disagreement with a lot of thought put into it - a category that I'd like to think my comments frequently fall into), shitposting (disagreement with little/no thought, or sarcasm), and hostility ("nah that's stupid, go !@#$ yourself").
The first 2 categories are the lifeblood of a very large number of thriving online communities. The last category needs to be unilaterally expelled from every corner possible.
Where are you seeing that? I haven't run into it yet besides very few scattered around, which is unavoidable on the internet, people love to fight :p
Well that’s a stupid take and you are dumb.
(Sorry, I know, not funny…) 🤦♂️
More seriously, while I deleted my Reddit account, I haven’t tried to avoid landing on some Reddit threads linked from Lemmy, and for the past few days I’ve looked closer at comment sections, because I’m noticing I had forgotten how rotten they were compared to here. So much pointless aggressivity.
I think it’s credible that if Lemmy was to keep growing, that issue will also keep growing as you have noticed. So, a bit like op, I’m hoping it only grows big enough to keep the open source projects interested and staffed; but not so much so that most of the sucky aggressivity stays on Reddit or elsewhere permanently.
I repeat this a lot, but I think the most important thing to do is to stay sincere and not be a defeatist. No arguing just to win, but no hugbox mentality either.
I have no doubt at all that the reddit admins and powermods were algorithmically pushing flame bait and hatred (especially to the political subs) to drive traffic to the site, so now that we've have a place where that isn't possible (yet, at least), I'm interested to see if that's just the nature of political discussion on the Internet.
I don’t know, I think even in real life people get silly when discussing topics they have strong feelings about, and politics seems to be one of them fairly often.
I guess all I’m saying is I understand your point and it makes sense to me, I’m probably just a bit less hopeful than you are (and I commend you for it!)
I saw an economic's professor start an argument in a coffee shop about Bernie Sanders. And he legitimately said something about Sanders's socialism leading to firing squads.
Getting into an argument like that isn't even worth it or possible to win.
It's the idea of a New Sincerity, or post-postmodernism.
Yeah, the world is turning to shit, and nothing matters. So what? What are you doing to make it less shit?
It's the idea that you should be trying to save everyone with the understanding that a small portion are just too far gone to be saved, and you should focus on the ones that you can, because even if you just save one person, that's still a net positive.
I think it’s a very sensible approach, and honestly quite uplifting too.
The comment section is for Internet arguments!
Hey, whatever you do is your business, I'm just here to promote "Barbie".
"Can we get back to talking about Rampart please"
Ah the old memes