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And not all Jewish people support Israel! I have to assume many understand what's going on and side with Palestine.
What does "side with Palestine" mean? I side with the innocent people unjustly targeted in both Israel and Palestine, Israel has tolerated completely unjust treatment of Palestinians as well as done it as a state. But, groups like HAMAS also fire missiles at innocent civilians. Not to mention the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel. I'm not saying the Israeli government is innocent, it's not, but it's more complicated than just "siding with Palestine" being the right answer.
If we go far back in the history of the land... that list goes all the way to the paleolithic, and includes Israel itself. Some call it the "promised land", "holy land", and stuff like that, but in practice it looks more like the "cursed land".
If we go less far back, you'll find the point where the Roman's conquered the lands, kicked out all the Jews and renamed it to Palestina to spite them.
"Syria Palaestina", for extra spite.
If we go back, Israelites were going around offering cities to either join them or be exterminated... if we go forward, Crusaders gave no option to anyone... and so on.
It's a really bad patch of land, now with too many large religions trying to claim it, some even hoping for the Apocalypse to start there ASAP. Then you add the water shortages, and global warming is only going to make those worse.
I just meant siding with the people being forced out of their homes by Israel and placed under heavy surveillance while under constant threat of attack. I can't blame them for wanting to fight back.
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Yeah I agree, I side with the innocent people, not necessarily all the semi-state entities in Palestine.
With attacking innocent civilians I can.
Hamas is less "attacking innocent civilians" and more doesn't know where civilians will be since they are a poor and oppressed retaliation force. And the Iron Dome is pretty much impenetrable because Israel shoots anything down in their airspace.
There is a very important difference between aiming generally at the oppressive force which includes civilians who continue to replace Palestinians who've lived there for their whole lives and targeting civilians, children included. Palestine does the former, Israel does the latter.
Look, I don't actually think I'm going to convince you of anything, but I hope it gives you pause at least.
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The state of tribalism where when someone points out something isn't simplistic clear "good vs evil" all the time they are suddenly "Enlightened centrism"
The defence of the indefensible when someone tries to say both sides are to blame when only one side is engaged in state sanctioned crimes and the other lives in a ghetto surrounded by the others soldiers who routinely drive into the ghetto and kill them.
A state actor can be wrong and a terrorist group can be wrong??? There are more than 2 sides in life. Stop with the tankie logic where they support ISIS because it opposes the US.
I've been to Jewish gatherings where they had duplicates of some food products because half of them insisted on eating an Israeli brand and half of them refused to.
Yes, I'm one of them. But again, that's not the audience I'm worried about. I'm not worried about what the mainstream thinks of Jews, or Jews think of Jews, I am worried about the feedback loop between far right influencers who promote conspiracy theories and the disaffected media consumers that they radicalize into violence. This kind of behavior is fuel for a very dangerous cycle.
I don't disagree with this. Far right radicalization is a huge problem.
And not all the people that support Israel are Jewish nor are being paid by Jews to do so. Many understand that Hamas is a fascist regime and simply don't like fascism.