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I hear many people say that the Google Pixel is good for privacy, but is it?

I'm asking this because I find it weird, of all the companies, Google having the most “privacy”.

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[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd argue yes.

I see Google as a known unknown, where as various other Chinese phones are unknown unknowns.

I acknowledge I have western bias, but the propaganda, human rights violations and control of the CCP is well understood.

At the very least Pixel let's you flash an alternative OS.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Basically every Chinese phone has a great custom rom support

[–] monsters@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Graphene only supports Pixels officially because of how easily you can unlock the bootloader

[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's not the only reason, you can also unlock the bootloader of a FairPhone very easily and they're still not supported.

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

it's because of the Titan M chip, not because of ease of bootloader unlocking. Pixel's have much higher hardware security with only iPhones and their secure enclave matching it afaik.

[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And rootkits on the chips. If not now then when.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Here's your tinfoil hat

[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Xiaomi phones used to be good for custom ROMs, but now they try to stop you unlocking the bootloader by making you wait an unreasonable amount of time after first registering the device with them before you can unlock. Many of the other vendors are even worse.

So from that perspective, Pixel devices are not a terrible choice if you are going to flash a non-stock image.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Waiting a bit has been normal for years already. And it's not a big deal at all. It's to stop reselling the phones

[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait times are as high as 2 months (depending on how old the phone model is, etc...), and even as a regular Xiaomi customer, their support never seem to allow anyone to skip the wait, even if for example they broke their old phone and want to set up a new one like the old one (ask me how I know). During that period, MIUI is like a data collection honeypot, sucking up your PII and serving you ads.

It might be 'normal' now to Xiaomi customers to wait to be able to unlock the phones that they have paid for and own (perhaps in the same sense someone in an abusive relationship might consider getting hit 'normal' because it has been happening for a while), but the idea that the company who sold you the phone gets some say on when you get the 'privilege' of running what you like on it, and make you jump through frustrating hoops to control your own device, is certainly not okay.

If they just wanted to stop reselling phones with non-Xiaomi sanctioned malware / bloatware added, making the bootloader make it clear it is unlocked (as Google does, for example) would be enough. Or they could make a different brand for phones that are unlocked, using the same hardware except with a different logo, and let people choose if they want unlocked or walled garden.

However, they make money off selling targeted ads based on information they collect - so I'm sure that they probably don't want to do any of those things if they don't have to, because they might disrupt their surveillance capitalism.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ok, wall of text aside. Now I'm sure you're bsing. It's never been 2 months or even longer. Literally every Xiaomi or Poco is that you register and then you wait 1 week and then unlock with the pc. No weird ass wait times. You don't even have to use it. I have done this for like 8 models old and new already. The Mi unlock app doesn't even have software for other times.

Also the bootloader does display that it's unlocked. But even with a 'warning' most people wouldn't care and that's what Xiaomi still wants to prevent.