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How is it so easy to create spam accounts with Kbin? What kind of account validation is implemented? Email? Enforced 2FA? Just a curious dev who hasn't started their own lemmy or Kbin instance yet.
There's just email verification at the moment. 2FA is on the roadmap, but I'm not sure if it will be in the next release. Here's the kbin codeberg site for more detail.
It's a start, but 2fa can't stop spam.
If one can automate account creation including saving totp secrets, you suddenly have 2fa authenticated bots able to send spam.
Maybe you could get around that to some extent by leveraging sms verification during account creation, but how do you set that up to prevent burner numbers? Or smishing?
These are hard problems to address
Not to mention there are a lot of fediverse users who moved here because they didn't want to give away personal information like their email and phone number.
Also a lot of real people might want to sign up without needlessly giving away personal information like thier phone number...
Here's one (possibly dumb?) idea I just had: implement a shadow ban for a period on new accounts so moderators can check what they're posting before they're allowed to post.
i like this one! seems smart.
When I signed up it was email + captcha. I cannot find even an option for voluntary 2FA.
I don't know the details but people who wanted to work on Kbin and looked into it say that it is a much less developed platform overall (i.e. not fully a beta and more like still in alpha, e.g. lacking a true API), but it does offer benefits socially (to further disconnect from the originators of the Lemmy software) and to have another codebase that offers federation.
Lemmy is also more of alpha-quality software. The admin tools are pretty much non-existent. On my own instance, I've had to go into the database to fix issues a lot using straight SQL, and I have like ten users on the platform. One of those issues caused my admin account to no longer being able to log in, another caused the whole instance to be down.
Oh that's interesting. Kbin lacks a formalized API (or at least it did - possibly this next update was going to address that and yet Ernst did say something about shifting priorities so maybe that's bumped now) so I got the impression that Lemmy was further along, but yeah they both have a ways to go to catch up to the decade or so of work put into Reddit. Although the latter manages to find new & innovative ways to break itself constantly anyways so maybe both Kbin and Lemmy will meet it somewhere in the middle sooner than we might think? :-P (and yet slower than most people would like I'm sure:-D)
Yeah it seems like it's grown organically from a POC, which I think is sort of what Lemmy did too. I feel like this concept is ripe for a platform which has been designed from the start then implement.