On the one hand you have people in suburbs or in-city suburbs complaining about not building the occasional apartment building, essentially because they’re scared of poor people,

Fake association that people in apartments are poor. Don’t know if you hold that idea, but you’re repeating it

It's pretty obvious I don't, and if you think accurately describing the misguided motivations of people counts as repeating propaganda, then you must live in a pretty thick bubble.

You’ve now defined them as ugly and thus undesirable.

They are.

As if you can’t own a condo.

You have to buy the condo from a corporation, you have to pay condo fees to a condo board that is out of your control, and much of the quality of your home is determined by the original corporation that built it, as well as that board that you have no real control over and typically pays out maintenance, repairs, upgrades, etc. to other corporations.

Or if we increase apartments builds then there will be actual competition. Instead of the current scarcity. Basic supply and demand.

I advocated for increasing apartment builds. I also advocated for numerous other measures to increase rental supply, I just didn't advocate for blindly buying the developer propaganda and letting them build high rise after high rise.

Not like we have a mf housing crisis. Noooo.

So since we have a food supply crisis we should all stop cooking and hand over all food control to corporations that will sell us back bland nutrition paste?

Now you suggest that building apartments makes things unlivable! The very place people live is somehow unlivable. Or that apartments inherently make the surrounding area undesirable.

They literally do. Go live in Manhattan, it sucks. Sunlight literally doesn't hit street level except for at noon because you've put a bunch of gargantuan towers everywhere. Go look at a complex like Habitat 67 that actually tried to make apartments pleasant to live in instead of just being the cheapest they can possibly be to maximize developer profit. Go look at the size of Walmart parking lots in small towns that are the size of entire Manhattan blocks. Yes we need to densify, no we don't need to necessarily build blindly and continue just letting the free market decide what gets built where.

Yeah. Visceral reaction to apartments. Peace.

Yeah, not having a visceral reaction to anything, just plainly stating their benefits and downsides, though you seem to be having a visceral reaction to any perceived criticism of apartments whatsoever.