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The Ferengi are hyper-capitalist exploiters who enslave women and Star Fleet not only allows this but does business with them

Yes, this is the nerdiest post I've made.

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[–] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The Federation tends to be relatively pragmatic at a macro level when it comes to dealing with other civilizations. The Ferengi aren’t saints, but they’re not hostile, are open to diplomatic relations, and for the most part will honor contracts and agreements.

The Federation has to deal with openly-hostile forces like the Borg, the Dominion, questionably stable relationships with the likes of Klingons and Romulans, and isolationist/xenophobic groups like the Breen. Compared to the above, the Ferengi are pretty benign.

It’s worth noting that the Star Trek universe isn’t as heavily defined by capitalism as our world. There are cosmic horrors out in the universe that make the differences between the Federation and the Ferengi seem insignificant. There are literal dragons out there, and the Ferengi just aren’t that, despite their obvious flaws.

The Federation seems to follow a strategy of establishing peaceful relations on whatever terms they can get, with the long-term goal of bringing new civilizations into the fold over time. They clearly believe that FALGSC is the natural progression of societies, but they clearly don’t feel that they have the means or mandate to impose it on others, so they use the tools and opportunities they have to grow and maintain their influence to that end.

So yeah, the Federation isn’t going to impose itself onto the Ferengi by force, and refusing to establish ties with them would likely make conflict more likely, so they take the practical step of dealing in good faith with a civilization that, while not ideal, isn’t trying to conquer or exterminate anyone.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And it's not as if the Federation doesn't end up indirectly influencing Ferengi politics. By the end of DS9 the Grand Nagus is a Ferengi who, at the encouragement of Starfleet officers, had unionized and lead a strike against poor working conditions at the local bar in which he worked. He directly quoted Marx right to his brother's face, even. A species that literally started out as a metaphor for capitalism and their leader ends up further to the left than any US president lmao.

Not to mention due his mother's influence, :quark: females were finally allowed to wear clothes and go into business for themselves.

[–] Retrosound@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats a really neat scene. I love how they actually try and make the interaction seem inhuman.

[–] Retrosound@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It's one of the few times you get a view of the Federation from two aliens.

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