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I learned at a young age that hating someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
I feel the same disdain towards someone who would suggest we eradicate people because of their skin color or ethnic background as I do towards someone that would suggest that we eradicate people because of their political views.
The difference being, I have never encountered anyone in real life or on Lemmy who would openly admit to being a nazi, whereas I have never spent an hour on Lemmy without seeing someone who thinks its okay to unironically say, "kill conservatives" or "eat rich people" receive overwhelming positive votes.
You guys never do.
Now for your turn. Do you hate leftists that shame your stance by promoting genocide?
I hate anyone who promotes genocide. It's why I hate nazis.
Conservatism and wealth are neither immutable characteristics nor cultures. You have provided zero examples of leftists calling for genocide.
Then again, your definition of "bigotry" is selective enough that you only consider people to be bigots if they don't like bigots. Who knows how bonkers and contrary to reality your definition of "genocide" is?
Then we should be on similar sides of this argument.
Does it really needed to be pointed out that Conservatism in the West is based on religious and cultural characteristics? Or are we just going to pretend that most Western conservatives aren't Protestants?
How odd, that doesn't sound anything like what I posted earlier. Not something I wrote mind you, just the first thing that came up when I web-searched "bigot". It is almost like you are making up a fake argument, that is easy to defeat, and then pretending I said something like it. If only there was a name for that sort of thing. S..st...straw.... I will give you hint, it isn't strawberry.
Here is the exact quote I posted earlier:
If you are getting something significantly different than that when you look up bigot, you might try using something other than Google; it has a tendency to reinforce one's own biases.
Conservatism itself is not a religion. There are plenty of conservative atheists and non-conservative religious institutions. Don't try to co-opt religion just to pretend that your political views are a culture.
The only portion of the definition of "bigot" you care about is the portion you bolded. Which you're using as a proxy for "people who hold political views that are rooted in bigotry."
I'm glad lemmy is hostile to bigots. I hope that never changes.
I have no doubt that there are some conservative atheists, but let's not pretend that they represent anything other than an extreme minority of self-identified conservatives.
I will let Wikipedia do the talking here.
The bolded portion was the portion relevant to the conversation, and relevant to Lemmy in general. Even if what you are saying was true and that was all I cared about, it wouldn't mean OC wasn't being bigoted.
If Lemmy was hostile to all bigots instead of just conservative bigots, someone else would have called out OC as a bigot. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I would have upvoted then moved on.
You argue semantics a lot, huh? Got any more cherrypicked excerpts of definitions that you want to bold portions of at me?
If we are going to have a conversation can we at least try to have a little intellectual integrity?
You wanted to accuse me of having weird definitions of words. I copied the very first link from a web-search regarding those words to confirm my statements, but I am the one playing semantics games and cherry-picking?
How about you respond to the actual stances laid out since we got all our definitions in order. Or would you rather continue to throw bright colored fish across the room instead?
Bigotry can be towards political stances other than your own, and OC was engaging in it. Agree or Disagree, if not then why?
Advocating for mass eradication of a group of people with shared ethnic, religious, and cultural values is abhorrent and could be called genocide. Agree or Disagree, if not then why?
Disagree entirely. You choose your political affiliation, and that choice says something about the person who makes it. For example, anyone who is still with the Republican party after January 6 does not consider an attempted coup to be a dealbreaker. They see people marching with swastika flags and shouting "Jews will not replace us" and don't consider that to be a problem. They cheer when people call for the eradication of trans people.
Advocating for it is not genocide. It's advocating for genocide. I oppose genocide.
You point to any criticism of conservatives, up to and including nazis, announce that it's genocide, and then pretend to oppose genocide in that narrowly defined circumstance only. You would be positively delighted of conservatives' stated goal of wiping out trans people were accomplished, for example.
You are arguing on behalf of bigots in bad faith. I have better ways to waste a Sunday evening.
Well at least we can both agree that one of us is arguing on behalf of bigots and in bad faith.
Hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend.
And we both know it's you.
Genocide now?
Genocide is the intent to destroy members of a specific nationality, religion, ethnicity, or race.
Your hyperbole in this thread is a testament to the comments pointing out that conservatives don’t engage with reason.
If we are going to say that most conservatives are white protestants then yes it sounds like a fair term to use.
Though even if we decide it is the wrong term, calling for the eradication of large parts of the population based on religious, cultural and a political affiliation is still abhorrent.
Ah so you’re a centrist!
Guilty as charged or at least close enough.
Like most centrists, many of my views are not really in the center but I think it is necessary in a democracy to find a middle ground between the extremes.
hahahahahaha
If you've never met someone on real life who is openly racist, calls themselves a nazi, openly supports bigoted policies and/or actively works to remove rights from people for who they are - you're not paying attention. This is on a post about people organizing a march and politically strategizing to strip the rights away from other people.
I did not say that I had never met a racist or someone who supports bigoted policies, just that I had never met anyone that would admit to being a nazi. The difference being most nazis know they should keep their extremist views hidden.
I have met plenty or racists. For most of them it is subtle and they don't recognize it for what it is. I have never heard any of them advocate for killing everyone on the other side of the political spectrum or eating humans.
This is vague and politically loaded. I have definitely met TERFs, pro-lifers, and those that advocate against gender treatments for children, but that is not at all the same as advocating mass murder and cannibalism for those that disagree with their views.
I don't know anything about the group behind those protests. I was vaguely curious about it when I clicked this post but made the mistake of reading the most upvoted comment in this thread.
In my mind there is a pretty big difference between what the article says is the groups stated viewpoint:
and these excerpts from OCs own comment and history:
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I think you lost track of who you're arguing with. But yeah, you admit people can be subtle about how they express their views and yet don't understand why that makes conservatives in north america dangerous.
I paint them with broad strokes because calling yourself a conservative in this times is accepting the broad variety of beliefs that political party supports. People have a choice.
As a marginalized person who had no choice in how I was born and always felt the affects of conservative policies, to the extreme detriment of my health and well-being, I absolutely understand and support anyone who thinks they should be ostracized.