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France grants police power to spy on citizens through phones (www.techradar.com)
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VPN services and other security tools won't be able to protect people from this kind of state-surveillance. What's next for France's justice reform bill?

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[–] retat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this supposed to work? Won't real criminals just buy more secure devices to circumvent this surveillance?

[–] Yendor@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This isn’t going to be regularly used. For the average iPhone user you’d probably need to use Pegasus, which costs something insane like US$60k per target device.

The more likey vector will be things like Ring doorbells - we already know Amazon will handover footage to Police without even requiring a warrant.

[–] dedale@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn’t going to be regularly used.

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[–] Yendor@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not saying they won’t want to use it, but Police have limited budgets like everyone else. A quick google shows the average salary of a police office in France is US$57k. Pegasus is $60k per use. If a police department has to choose between spying on 10 phones or hiring 10 more cops, I think they’re going to choose the extra manpower almost every time.

[–] dedale@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A few things. How do we know it's going to be Pegasus? How do you know the price, why is it so expensive (and why would anyone assume it to stay so)?

Because if it actually is Pegasus, the main problem with this bill isn't surveillance (although it is most definitely a problem),
but the tacit endorsement of this unregulated infoweapon.

As the poet said: doubleplusungood.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I assume the French also gained access to stuff like DROPOUTJEEP after signing the secret Lustre treaty.