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Am I? Who knows (startrek.website)
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[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

If your consciousness exists right down to conversationally-induced existential dread, what do you care what or where the substrate it exists on is?

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago

As long as poutine still exists and my elbows are still as sensuous then I don't care what happens.

[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The idea is that it does not exist. I have this worry about transporters (or would if they were real). I can only look at it as that one consciousness ends, truly dies. On the other end out pops a consciousness that thinks it is the same person, but is actually a new person, who will live only until it enters the next transporter.

In other words, whatever you think the rest of your life is going to be, post-transporter, will be unknown to you, because you will be dead, and that future will be lived by someone who believes themselves to be you, but is not.

I don't say this to be argumentative - I WISH I didn't view transporters this way - it ruins Trek for me if I let myself think about it, and I'd love to be convinced I'm wrong.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If they act the way I would act and have my memories how is that not me?

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

So if a perfect copy of you existed, you'd be okay with being executed if it were painless? The other you lives exactly as you would,

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I see no reason to execute me when I could just fuck my clone, but if there were a copy of my and a bomb was set to go off I'd chill in one perspective's last moments.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Couldn't be me. Another me existing would only mean my family wouldn't have to mourn me, but I couldn't just accept death because of it.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Of course they wouldn't mourn you. You'd still exist and everything is gravy.

He wouldn't exist. A copy of him that they could not distinguish would exist. He'd be dead.

If you say that doesn't matter to you, fine, but I don't think it's hard to grasp why a lot of folks wouldn't be OK with it, especially as a daily form of transportation.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

If any entity that affects the world in the exact way I would is affecting the world the way I would have it affected, "I" exist.

My dreams, memories, hopes, and desires propagate through what we call existence and there is zero difference if i was stored in a computer for a little while and or there is two of me.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

That was part of my point. It would be one less thing to worry about, my family doesn't suffer the loss, but it doesn't change that I wouldn't just let myself die because of it.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You aren't dying. You're just moving.

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