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Israel was taken by surprise by the most ambitious operation Hamas has ever launched from Gaza.

The scale of what's been happening is unprecedented. Hamas breached the wire that separates Gaza from Israel in multiple places in the most serious cross-border attack Israel has faced in more than a generation.

It came a day after the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria in 1973 that started a major Middle East war. The significance of the date will not have been lost on the Hamas leadership.

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says his country is at war and will exact a heavy price from its enemies.

Videos and photos of dead Israelis, civilians as well as soldiers, are all over social media.

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[–] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is there going to be another war or should this just be considered a small scale attack?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bibi's an authoritarian with a strong desire to create a sort of ethnostate. He also needs the media to cover something other than his corruption and his removal of the judiciary's independence from his regime.

So, I expect this to be extremely ugly and to leave Palestine and her people worse off than ever before.

A major issue is that there isn't even a Palestinian Authority with which to negotiate anymore. And, Hamas is happy to let Palestine and Palestinians suffer to the last person so long as it means they get to shoot at just one more Israeli. It will go on until Israel wants to stop, which under the current government may be never.

[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, Israel has declared war. This is a BFD. A couple hundred dead, 1500 injured, Hamas is going door to door executing people. 2000 rockets fired into Israel. They've captured territory. They've captured the general of the Israeli defence force. This isn't some border skirmish like we have heard about for a couple of decades, this was a very competent full scale attack.

Israel doesn't fuck around. Even if you don't agree with them, they're very militarily capable. Israel is about to turn Gaza into rubble in under a week. In the 6 day war, several Arab countries formed a coalition and attacked Israel, and got so thoroughly buttspanked they haven't done it since. Within 6 days they conquered all the way to the current Jordanian border, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the entirety of Sinai, which they returned as a gesture. Gaza is about to get glassed.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

So, we expect 10,000 Palestinians dead by the end of Israel's retaliation? 100,000? More?

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genocide. Anticipate genocide as Israel uses this opportunity to justify eradicating the Palestinians. Never mind that everyone was warned that this would happen if they continued to bulldoze houses during Ramadan.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is unlikely to do that, as the international uproar would likely cause them to lose American support

The 10,000-100,000 dead is more likely, shameful as that itself is.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is with and because of American support that Israel has been able to do what it's done for the past decades.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm glad Israel has US support so that the attacks against it are minimally effective. Materiel support does not shape Israel's governing policies

I have no fucking idea man. I just know that Israel doesn't fuck around. Whatever they do, it will be decisive and effective.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just pulling numbers out of my ass, but I would not be surprised if the eventual total was in the tens of thousands, and also if it takes 20 years for the true total to be known

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I bet it's more than 20:1.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Gaza War in 2014. Left is Israeli casualties. Of course, Hamas started that one as well. Can't imagine what will happen now.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

I mean Israel already declared a state of war. Yeah this is not a small scale attack, and is actually the first time Hamas actually attacked Israel with foot soldiers.

[–] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Naw just more scratching and clawing from a desperate animal being slowly choked to death and driven into the sea.

More bombing and annexing to be expected.

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, this was never a “war”, just atrocities and genocide.

[–] maporita@unilem.org -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's a genocide then they're not doing a very good job considering that Gaza has an annual population growth of 3%.

[–] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It turns out when your sequestered into a small space, and concentrated together with the much stronger power controlling both the supply of food, and even your electricity, you sometimes have very little else to do.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

We live in a shit situation so let's make babies!!!

Babies: I didn't sign up for this shit.

Goddamn humans are stupid.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

another war

did the last one ever stop?