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Horseshit.
When hundreds of civilians are murdered by terrorist, that's not the moment to talk about rewarding the terrorists, which is exactly what they are asking Israel to do.
To be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR: Israel has offered peace deals and two state solutions many times before. Palestinians always walk away.
So this should be the moment that progressive turn to the PALESTINIANS and say, time for YOU to end the occupation by taking a peace deal that isn't your favorite, because this terrorism shit is 1000% evil and unacceptable.
This is the same argument Republicans use about gun control and mass shootings. Can't talk about it because it's happening now. Makes so much sense right?
What would you say the Palestinians should give? They lost everything.
Should they give the open air prison that Gaza is? Or the web of bantustans that the West Bank became?
They already had everything ripped from them and every day they loose yet another bit of territory to Israeli settlers.
The only peace deal Israel wants is the same they've been enforcing for half a century: that the Palestinians pack their shit and leave their ancestral land for good for Israel to settle.
Just as a little reality check for all Hamas “fans” out here which are actually comparing them to Israel. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days…they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.
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No dude, you're wrong. If it were at all possible for Palestinians to walk away from their oppressors, they would have. I don't know the details of whatever was offered, but I can only assume it was "Palestine leaves their land forever and unconditionally surrenders to Israel's demands". That is not a peace deal, that is extortion.
Israel has made it clear that it will not accept peace. Israel at no point in time was ever willing to accept a two-state solution. Israel and Hamas are terrorist organizations.
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel is extremely well-funded and serves with consent of the governed whereas Hamas is extremely poorly funded and less than half of the population was born when they were "elected" and even fewer of them participated in that election.
This is objectively false. Please, just look it up. In recent times, a majority of Israeli people do not support it, but a majority did before the last five years or so.
Israeli politics are dominated by right-wing hardliners who need constant conflict with the Palestinians for their own political survival. Netanyahu himself has constructed his entire political identity around being the only person who can be trusted with Israel's security. As long as this is the case, what the Israeli population wants or doesn't want is immaterial
My friend, these anti-Israel zealots won’t be happy unless Israel just rolls over and lets Hamas kill Jews without consequence.
The anti-Israel crowd thinkd Israel is the devil of it fights back.
They think Israel is the devil, if, as you mentioned, they call buildings ahead of time, and give people time to evacuate, before Israel bombs terrorist. Headquarters, because I guess they think Palestinian buildings are more important than Israeli lives.
They think Israel is the devil if they build a security fence to keep our suicide bombers.
Mostly they think Israel is the devil because Israel offered the most general peace deal in history, but refuse to give Palestinian’s the Right of Return, which would have allowed Palestinians to claim voting rights, and literally vote to turn Israel into an anti-Jewish theocracy.
Now… Most of the people HERE haven’t the foggiest clue about any of that. And if you talked them through the situation and the options, they’d understand that Israel does not now, nor have they ever had a partner on the Palestinian side with which to make peace. They want Israel gone, full stop. And you can’t make peace with people who believe in literally no situations in which you still exist at the end.
Israel, on the other hand has showed throughout it’s history that it will do extraordinary things for peace. They gave up land for peace with Egypt. They have offered extraordinary concessions.
But the people who really needed to read this downvoted me in the first paragraph and are already typing a rant.
I like how you frame everyone who disagrees with you as anti-semetic. I wonder what sort of mental gymnastics you'll do to paint the multiple Jewish organizations that took part in the pro-Palestinian rally after the attack as Jew-haters.
Israel is an apartheid state, and the Jewish community in the US is leading the way in teaching us why that nation needs to be dismantled or reined in by the international community.
Why do you people keep saying this like it matters? Have you ever considered it's what's in those deals that is important?
Take a look at the Native Americans for an example of a colonized people accepting their colonizers' terms.
It matters because Palestinians have zero leverage. Their choice is either make peace and build a future, or keep fighting a losing battle, and ensure that their children never have a chance.
Israel can wait.
Israel is thriving.
I hear you, but certainly you can understand how "accept that you've lost" may not sit well with some people.
Yes. But it is objective reality.
And the rest of the world would be doing the Palestinians an enormous favor of they told them that in no uncertain terms.
Hm. You have a good point.
This could lead to rebuilding a Palestinian nation in the same fashion as Japan after WW2.
Sounds like you're looking for a final solution to this Palestinian problem.
Go ahead, say it with your chest.